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  • K Kevin Marois

    Hosted where?

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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    Nelek
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    Own computer acting as server?

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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      So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      M Badger
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      Mercurial It's a few years old but try this : Choosing a Version Control System - A Beginners Tour of the Options[^] As far as I could tell Mercurial did everything Git did but a million times easier. Then everyone went with Git. M

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      • K Kevin Marois

        So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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        Maximilien
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        learn GIT, it's a PITA, but it works.

        I'd rather be phishing!

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          Own computer acting as server?

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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          Lost User
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          Yep :thumbsup:

          It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question

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            learn GIT, it's a PITA, but it works.

            I'd rather be phishing!

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            Lost User
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            That's the argument that makes bad products the leaders in their branche.

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            • K Kevin Marois

              So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              RickZeeland
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              See overview here: best-version-control-systems[^]

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              • M Maximilien

                learn GIT, it's a PITA, but it works.

                I'd rather be phishing!

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                Kevin Marois
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                I have a solution with some projects in the same base folder, and other projects that are shared in different locations. When I right-click the solution and choose "Add To Source Control", a Git message pops up:

                Source Control - Git

                The current solution has projects that are located outside the solution folder. These projects will not be source controlled in the Git repository. To add all the projects to a single Git repository please consolidate all projects under a single folder.

                This doesn't even make sense. I've heard too many horror stories about Git. This is one of them. See also [Git Catastrophes and Tips to Avoid Them | @RisingStack](https://blog.risingstack.com/git-catastrophes-and-tips-to-avoid-them/)

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                  Own computer acting as server?

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  Kevin Marois
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                  I actually have a server, and I've hosted SVN on it, but having the source in a repo in the same room as my dev PC doesn't keep me from losing the code if my house burns down. I could of course back up the SVN repo, but that's what cloud based systems are for. I guess I could set up backup of the repos to some cloud storage, but I'm looking for easy.

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                    Why don't you want GIT?

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                    Kevin Marois
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                    It sucks. [Git Catastrophes and Tips to Avoid Them | @RisingStack](https://blog.risingstack.com/git-catastrophes-and-tips-to-avoid-them/)

                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                    • K Kevin Marois

                      I actually have a server, and I've hosted SVN on it, but having the source in a repo in the same room as my dev PC doesn't keep me from losing the code if my house burns down. I could of course back up the SVN repo, but that's what cloud based systems are for. I guess I could set up backup of the repos to some cloud storage, but I'm looking for easy.

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      You shouldn't consider source control as a backup system - separate the concerns and implement a planned backup strategy, by all means in conjunction with source control. They really aren't there for the same things, and you sound like you need disaster recovery rather than source control. Backup to the cloud, or onto physical media which you rotate into a mates house (and perhaps rotate his into yours) instead.

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                      • K Kevin Marois

                        So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        Ravi Bhavnani
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                        Kevin Marois wrote:

                        With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                        I continue to use TFVC hosted at Microsoft.  I'm allergic to Git (which is what I use at work). /ravi

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                          You shouldn't consider source control as a backup system - separate the concerns and implement a planned backup strategy, by all means in conjunction with source control. They really aren't there for the same things, and you sound like you need disaster recovery rather than source control. Backup to the cloud, or onto physical media which you rotate into a mates house (and perhaps rotate his into yours) instead.

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          Kevin Marois
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                          I never said source control was backup. I said doing source control on a server next to my Dev PC doesn't make sense in case the house burns down

                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                            Kevin Marois wrote:

                            With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                            I continue to use TFVC hosted at Microsoft.  I'm allergic to Git (which is what I use at work). /ravi

                            My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                            Kevin Marois
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                            Can you add new projects? My VS2017 won't let me use anything but Git

                            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                              Can you add new projects? My VS2017 won't let me use anything but Git

                              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                              Ravi Bhavnani
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                              Here's what I do:

                              1. Create the project in the web interface (and select TFVC as the version control system).
                              2. Create your solution using VStudio but don't "Add to source control".
                              3. In VStudio, use Source Control Explorer to add your solution folder to the TFVC project.
                              4. In VStudio, do File | Source Control | Advanced | Change Source Control and set the solution's source control bindings to the TFVC project.

                              After doing this, I work in VStudio as usual and check out and check in the solution's files normally. /ravi

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                              • K Kevin Marois

                                I have a solution with some projects in the same base folder, and other projects that are shared in different locations. When I right-click the solution and choose "Add To Source Control", a Git message pops up:

                                Source Control - Git

                                The current solution has projects that are located outside the solution folder. These projects will not be source controlled in the Git repository. To add all the projects to a single Git repository please consolidate all projects under a single folder.

                                This doesn't even make sense. I've heard too many horror stories about Git. This is one of them. See also [Git Catastrophes and Tips to Avoid Them | @RisingStack](https://blog.risingstack.com/git-catastrophes-and-tips-to-avoid-them/)

                                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                Maximilien
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                                There are many horror stories with GIT and there are many more good stories with GIT. see also [Oh Shit, Git!?!](https://ohshitgit.com/) You know we use it, we're 10 developers, we all have multiple branches running in parallel, we have many version tags. We have a simple workflow In 4,5 years, I think we had one major issue (no data loss), I think it was because we busted the 1 gig repository size and needed to move files to the LFS system and rebuild the history. From what I can see, your problem seems to be related to the GIT in Visual Studio; I've seen some solution on StackOverflow; maybe not exactly like your situation, but it should be a good way to start looking at it. Maybe you could try an external GIT tool (tortoiseGIT, Kraken.... ) and see how it goes. Anyway, good luck:rose:.

                                I'd rather be phishing!

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                                • K Kevin Marois

                                  So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                  Ron Anders
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                                  I like Visual SVN. Free and works a treat. My SVN repositories are on my own Windows server down "at the shop" because I'm a control enthusiast.

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                                  • K Kevin Marois

                                    So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                    Mike Hankey
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                                    I send SVN, i've been using it for many years. I've started to use GIT and can't decide if I like it or not. Still use SVN as backup though!

                                    They call me different but the truth is they're all the same! JaxCoder.com

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                                    • K Kevin Marois

                                      So, after my last post, I still need some source control. With MS saying not to use VSTS, and I DON'T WANT GIT, what are my options?

                                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                      Rick York
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                                      Keep in mind that Git is a service. It is not solely supplied or hosted by Microsoft. They just own GitHub but there are also other sites that host Git servers. At work we use Bitbucket and they host both Git and Mercurial repositories. They also have both free and commercial accounts available. That's the only one I am somewhat familiar with and there are several others.

                                      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                                      • K Kevin Marois

                                        It sucks. [Git Catastrophes and Tips to Avoid Them | @RisingStack](https://blog.risingstack.com/git-catastrophes-and-tips-to-avoid-them/)

                                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                        Jacquers
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                                        git is fine if you use it right. It's branching is better than SVN. Get a UI like Sourcetree and use 'git flow'.

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                                        • K Kevin Marois

                                          It sucks. [Git Catastrophes and Tips to Avoid Them | @RisingStack](https://blog.risingstack.com/git-catastrophes-and-tips-to-avoid-them/)

                                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          I've worked with Git for years and never amended anything. I don't get the issue with reverting. How would you solve that using TFSC or SVN? The fact is you pushed something that didn't work to the master branch, people made other changes to that code and now you want it removed. I've been in the situation where I had to revert multiple commits and this was as easy as selecting the commit I wanted to go back to and selecting "revert to this commit". As the author says, all backward changes were added to the branch, but my coworkers had some merge conflicts. Those conflicts are to be expected since I just messed up the whole code base that everyone was working on. SVN or any other SCM isn't going to handle that gracefully either... Actually, I don't recognize anything he talks about in that post, except this little sentence in the intro:

                                          János Kubisch wrote:

                                          Fortunately, it is really hard to irrevocably mess something up with git, as long as you have the .git hidden folder in your project intact!

                                          In my experience it takes some getting used to. I worked in a team who worked with SVN for years and they were also a bunch of bunglers, so they complained about Git for years and never got the hang of it. Another team who moved to Git was amazed at how easy the transition was. At first, I thought it was overly complicated compared to SVN, but now I never want to go back. It's very easy to branch and merge, which makes developing new features and cooperating in teams so much easier. I wouldn't dismiss Git based on that one article... Just be sure to get some GUI tool. Not the default or the command line, those are for script kiddies who think they're so cool because they use command line. I use SourceTree or Visual Studio 2019 and those work well.

                                          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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