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  • R RJOberg

    That sounds exactly like what we're discussing here for even local work, I'm glad to hear it works so well and I've been wrong this entire time! When I mentioned in meetings that the concept sounds really complicated, will be a drain on productivity due to having to log in/out of the VPN to look up references, and frustrate the developers to the point of hurting morale all I get is blank stares. It must take a government mindset to come up with solutions using such out of the box, counter-intuitive thinking.

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    realJSOP
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    We don't have access to it yet, so we don't really know if it will work, or how well. If history is any indicator, it's gonna be dog-ass slow if we can even maintain something resembling reliable connectivity.

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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    • R realJSOP

      We don't have access to it yet, so we don't really know if it will work, or how well. If history is any indicator, it's gonna be dog-ass slow if we can even maintain something resembling reliable connectivity.

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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      RJOberg
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      That's what I'm predicting will happen here if/when we ever implement the same sort of policy. Someone who doesn't have to use it will force it into place, employees will use it and complain about how bad it is with a laundry list of reasons, and finally employees will be ignored and told that is the only option available. The other amusing piece being discussed here is that security wants to prohibit VPNing from non-managed (i.e. personal) devices. Problem is we won't purchase laptops for everyone and we're still expected to somehow provide service any time it is needed including after hours and weekends.

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      • R realJSOP

        We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud. In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment. While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        ZurdoDev
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        Interesting. Everything we have is on the cloud except for our laptops. I have Sql installed on my laptop and Visual Studio and I do all development on my machine until I need to publish it and then I publish to Azure. It's weird they won't let you have a local dev box.

        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Interesting. Everything we have is on the cloud except for our laptops. I have Sql installed on my laptop and Visual Studio and I do all development on my machine until I need to publish it and then I publish to Azure. It's weird they won't let you have a local dev box.

          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          realJSOP
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          It's a DoD operation. "Weird" is too tame a word...

          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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          • R realJSOP

            It's a DoD operation. "Weird" is too tame a word...

            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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            ZurdoDev
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            #realJSOP wrote:

            It's a DoD operation

            Well, I appreciate my safety and I know there are a lot of people out there that hate America so please do a good job. :sigh:

            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            • R realJSOP

              We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud. In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment. While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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              MarkTJohnson
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              Yep, we have to do that too. We used to be able to hit our Github Enterprise repositories inside the environment and use personal wiki pages to get information in and out of the system but they have since cut that off.

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              • R realJSOP

                We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud. In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment. While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                honey the codewitch
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                Can you VPN from inside a VM instead? :laugh:

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  Can you VPN from inside a VM instead? :laugh:

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  realJSOP
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                  No, because we can't run VMs.

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  • R realJSOP

                    Not permitted to run a VM on local machines.

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                    Mark_Wallace
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                    Jeeze.  Have they got any vacancies there?  It sounds like the ideal place to work.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    • R realJSOP

                      We don't have access to it yet, so we don't really know if it will work, or how well. If history is any indicator, it's gonna be dog-ass slow if we can even maintain something resembling reliable connectivity.

                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                      Nelek
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                      I don't know if that specific construct will work, but I was working 3 years in something similar going to and back from India to work in a computer here and test with a device downstairs

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                      • M Mark_Wallace

                        Jeeze.  Have they got any vacancies there?  It sounds like the ideal place to work.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        dandy72
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                        JSOP seems to have a knack for finding these places. :-)

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          #realJSOP wrote:

                          It's a DoD operation

                          Well, I appreciate my safety and I know there are a lot of people out there that hate America so please do a good job. :sigh:

                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                          dandy72
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                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          there are a lot of people out there that hate America

                          I'll bet a lot of them have reached that point because of stupid work-related policies imposed by their employers...

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                          • R realJSOP

                            No, because we can't run VMs.

                            ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                            You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                            When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                            dandy72
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                            Yeah, god forbid - that would be useful, and you might get things done.

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                              JSOP seems to have a knack for finding these places. :-)

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                              realJSOP
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                              Well, DoD dev work has always been a pain in the ass, and especially so when you dev for the USAF. The cloud crap is simply shoveling more crap in the hole.

                              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                              You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                              When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                Yeah, god forbid - that would be useful, and you might get things done.

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                                realJSOP
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                                I often have to remind myself not to bring logic or common sense with me when I come to work.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  Not permitted to run a VM on local machines.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  Rage
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                                  :laugh: So putting all data on the cloud is OK, but running a VM is not ? I think someone needs a cybersecurity training.

                                  Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                  • R realJSOP

                                    I often have to remind myself not to bring logic or common sense with me when I come to work.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    dandy72
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                                    It's scary to think how much truth there is in that statement.

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                                    • R realJSOP

                                      We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud. In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment. While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                      Lost User
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                                      And you're limited to one monitor when "dialed" in?

                                      It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                      • R realJSOP

                                        We're in the process of moving everything over to the cloud. In order to get to visual studio to do dev work, we have to VPN into the network, RDP to a "jump box", and then RDP from there into our dev environment. While we're VPN'd into the remote network, we can't access email or a web browser on our local machine. This means we're completely cut off from communications on our own local network.

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                        Shuqian Ying
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                                        For your info, one can use V-NET Router if one needs more flexibility and even some aspect of security :-O , in case one would like to know. Otherwise one could stop further reading ... It is an SDN solution that allows one to connect from one's local base LAN (local network) to any number remote offices, cloud domains at the same time. It is just like a normal router after (software) provisioning. Each remote connection is isolated from the local base LAN by using layer 2 VLAN for security purposes and can communicate to each other on explicit demand ... User can access public internet and various remote location at the same time We are still developing it, however it's in working state. since we are using it internally. This very message is uploaded via an end-point in California while I am sitting somewhere else in the world ...

                                        Find more in V-NET: connects your resources anywhere[^].

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                                        • R realJSOP

                                          I often have to remind myself not to bring logic or common sense with me when I come to work.

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                          Kelly Herald
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                                          I call that "Corporate Logic" :laugh:

                                          Kelly Herald Software Developer

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