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  • S super

    During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

    cheers,

    Super

    ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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    >Too much of good is bad, mix some evil in it. Too much of good already contains bad within, so it's already a mix of evil, correct? Probably. ;)

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    • S super

      During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

      cheers,

      Super

      ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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      Sander Rossel
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      My thought is that if you're going to miss the deadline you shouldn't worry so much about probability vs. possibility ;p

      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        My thought is that if you're going to miss the deadline you shouldn't worry so much about probability vs. possibility ;p

        Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        :cool::thumbsup:

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          My thought is that if you're going to miss the deadline you shouldn't worry so much about probability vs. possibility ;p

          Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          super
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          That's the funny part, I was hoping we will be discuss the reason for the delay but I was way wrong.

          cheers,

          Super

          ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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          • S super

            During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

            cheers,

            Super

            ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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            dan sh
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            I always think like this: Possible has two states, either it is possible or not. While probability is something when you are not sure whether something is possible or not.

            "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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            • S super

              During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

              cheers,

              Super

              ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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              Amarnath S
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              Probability is what those aliens called mathematicians discuss. Lesser mortals like us settle for possibility.

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              • S super

                During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                cheers,

                Super

                ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                If it is being quantified (even as a vague estimate) then it is a probability.

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                • D dan sh

                  I always think like this: Possible has two states, either it is possible or not. While probability is something when you are not sure whether something is possible or not.

                  "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                  Lost User
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                  agree possible has two finite states: it can or it cant/wont - as a measurement only and ever: 0% or 100% probability though can be expressed as anything including and between 0% and 100%. and being pedantic: probability is not ever less than 0% nor ever beyond 100% - that would be yield which is altogether a different animal. so true: the OP should have used "probability" (or some contextual synonym like "chance.")

                  after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    My thought is that if you're going to miss the deadline you shouldn't worry so much about probability vs. possibility ;p

                    Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    dan sh
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                    Please read the life changing book called "How to conduct long and pointless meetings with no significance to real work whatsoever". :-D

                    "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                    • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                      If it is being quantified (even as a vague estimate) then it is a probability.

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                      musefan
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                      I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: a chance that something may happen or be true.

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                      • S super

                        During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                        cheers,

                        Super

                        ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                        musefan
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                        I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: "a chance that something may happen or be true."

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                        • D Duncan Edwards Jones

                          If it is being quantified (even as a vague estimate) then it is a probability.

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                          Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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                          Agreed. Also a possibility can't bei high. It either exists with a probability of that thing occurring being greater than zero and less than one. If it's impossible the probability ist exactly zero. If the probability is one then it is not a possibility but rather a certainty.

                          "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                          Ron White, Comedian

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                            Please read the life changing book called "How to conduct long and pointless meetings with no significance to real work whatsoever". :-D

                            "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Judging from the meetings I've been in, that book must be a best seller! Everyone read it... :sigh:

                            Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              Judging from the meetings I've been in, that book must be a best seller! Everyone read it... :sigh:

                              Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                              dan sh
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                              Looks like we are same boat. There have been cases where I have had meetings which took at least 3 times more time than work which was, for lack of better word, discussed in them.

                              "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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                              • M musefan

                                I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: "a chance that something may happen or be true."

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                                F ES Sitecore
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                                All of those examples treat possibility as a binary thing...it can be possible or not possible. None of them treat it as a gradient or scale, eg that a possibility can be "high". The reason for that is because possibility is not the word to use in this context, probability is.

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                                • S super

                                  During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                                  cheers,

                                  Super

                                  ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                                  Mark_Wallace
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                                  If a possibility is high, it's a probability, so "the possibility of missing the deadline is very high" means the same as "there's a probability of missing the deadline" (the "high" is implied). A possibility = and option or a chance. A probability = likely to happen; a high possibility.

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                                    All of those examples treat possibility as a binary thing...it can be possible or not possible. None of them treat it as a gradient or scale, eg that a possibility can be "high". The reason for that is because possibility is not the word to use in this context, probability is.

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                                    musefan
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                                    from link:

                                    The forecast said that there's a possibility of snow tonight

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                                    There's a distinct possibility (that) I'll be asked to give a speech.

                                    Both those examples clearly indicate that the possibility is unknown. i.e. cannot be guaranteed to be either true or false. The first one especially is basically saying: "The forecast said that there's a chance of snow tonight".

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                                    • S super

                                      During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                                      cheers,

                                      Super

                                      ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                                      W Balboos GHB
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                                      Chiming in: Both options are for an unknown outcome. Possibility is for things that most likely will not happen Probability is for things that most like will happen The mathematical/statistical ideas attached to the word probability do not, in this case, apply as both have a probability (0 <=> 100%) but I do not believe I've ever heard possibility used in any sort of mathematical context with a specific meaning. If anyone disagrees with the above, most likely the chances are they are wrong.

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                                      • M musefan

                                        from link:

                                        The forecast said that there's a possibility of snow tonight

                                        from link:

                                        There's a distinct possibility (that) I'll be asked to give a speech.

                                        Both those examples clearly indicate that the possibility is unknown. i.e. cannot be guaranteed to be either true or false. The first one especially is basically saying: "The forecast said that there's a chance of snow tonight".

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                                        F ES Sitecore
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                                        It's still a binary construct though, and not a scale. Possibility of snow....there will be snow (1), there won't be snow (0). I will have to speak (1), I will not have to speak (0). Neither of those examples indicate a range. The probability of snow is high. The probability of snow is low. The probability of snow is 50-50. The probability of snow is almost certain. The probability of snow is highly unlikely.

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                                        • S super

                                          That's the funny part, I was hoping we will be discuss the reason for the delay but I was way wrong.

                                          cheers,

                                          Super

                                          ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                                          But it's going to be the best bike shed ever. :laugh:

                                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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