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  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

    If it is being quantified (even as a vague estimate) then it is a probability.

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    musefan
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    I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: a chance that something may happen or be true.

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    • S super

      During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

      cheers,

      Super

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      I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: "a chance that something may happen or be true."

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      • D Duncan Edwards Jones

        If it is being quantified (even as a vague estimate) then it is a probability.

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        Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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        Agreed. Also a possibility can't bei high. It either exists with a probability of that thing occurring being greater than zero and less than one. If it's impossible the probability ist exactly zero. If the probability is one then it is not a possibility but rather a certainty.

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        • D dan sh

          Please read the life changing book called "How to conduct long and pointless meetings with no significance to real work whatsoever". :-D

          "It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]

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          Sander Rossel
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          Judging from the meetings I've been in, that book must be a best seller! Everyone read it... :sigh:

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            Judging from the meetings I've been in, that book must be a best seller! Everyone read it... :sigh:

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            dan sh
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            Looks like we are same boat. There have been cases where I have had meetings which took at least 3 times more time than work which was, for lack of better word, discussed in them.

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            • M musefan

              I think it depends on how you use the word. If you check the dictionary I think you will find a definition that fits with the way you use it: For example[^]: "a chance that something may happen or be true."

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              F ES Sitecore
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              All of those examples treat possibility as a binary thing...it can be possible or not possible. None of them treat it as a gradient or scale, eg that a possibility can be "high". The reason for that is because possibility is not the word to use in this context, probability is.

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              • S super

                During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                cheers,

                Super

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                Mark_Wallace
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                If a possibility is high, it's a probability, so "the possibility of missing the deadline is very high" means the same as "there's a probability of missing the deadline" (the "high" is implied). A possibility = and option or a chance. A probability = likely to happen; a high possibility.

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                • F F ES Sitecore

                  All of those examples treat possibility as a binary thing...it can be possible or not possible. None of them treat it as a gradient or scale, eg that a possibility can be "high". The reason for that is because possibility is not the word to use in this context, probability is.

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                  musefan
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                  from link:

                  The forecast said that there's a possibility of snow tonight

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                  There's a distinct possibility (that) I'll be asked to give a speech.

                  Both those examples clearly indicate that the possibility is unknown. i.e. cannot be guaranteed to be either true or false. The first one especially is basically saying: "The forecast said that there's a chance of snow tonight".

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                  • S super

                    During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                    cheers,

                    Super

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    Chiming in: Both options are for an unknown outcome. Possibility is for things that most likely will not happen Probability is for things that most like will happen The mathematical/statistical ideas attached to the word probability do not, in this case, apply as both have a probability (0 <=> 100%) but I do not believe I've ever heard possibility used in any sort of mathematical context with a specific meaning. If anyone disagrees with the above, most likely the chances are they are wrong.

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                    • M musefan

                      from link:

                      The forecast said that there's a possibility of snow tonight

                      from link:

                      There's a distinct possibility (that) I'll be asked to give a speech.

                      Both those examples clearly indicate that the possibility is unknown. i.e. cannot be guaranteed to be either true or false. The first one especially is basically saying: "The forecast said that there's a chance of snow tonight".

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                      F ES Sitecore
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                      It's still a binary construct though, and not a scale. Possibility of snow....there will be snow (1), there won't be snow (0). I will have to speak (1), I will not have to speak (0). Neither of those examples indicate a range. The probability of snow is high. The probability of snow is low. The probability of snow is 50-50. The probability of snow is almost certain. The probability of snow is highly unlikely.

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                      • S super

                        That's the funny part, I was hoping we will be discuss the reason for the delay but I was way wrong.

                        cheers,

                        Super

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                        • S super

                          During one of my presentation the statement I wrote was " blah......., therefore the possibility of missing the deadline is very high". The whole discussion later was if I Should have used possibility or probability. My argument was that since its more on a gut feeling and guestimate , I used Possibility. IMHO probability should be used if its backed on the solid and valid statistical numbers. Your thoughts?

                          cheers,

                          Super

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                          Paul Kemner
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                          For general English either word is fine. In an academic paper "probability" would be the better choice if you had stats to back it up, as you mentioned.

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                          • F F ES Sitecore

                            It's still a binary construct though, and not a scale. Possibility of snow....there will be snow (1), there won't be snow (0). I will have to speak (1), I will not have to speak (0). Neither of those examples indicate a range. The probability of snow is high. The probability of snow is low. The probability of snow is 50-50. The probability of snow is almost certain. The probability of snow is highly unlikely.

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                            musefan
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                            Well by that logic, then the OP is correct in using possibility: Either they will miss the deadline (1), or they won't miss it (0).

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                            • M musefan

                              Well by that logic, then the OP is correct in using possibility: Either they will miss the deadline (1), or they won't miss it (0).

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                              F ES Sitecore
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                              No, because the "possibility" was described as "high" which moves it from a binary construct to a scale.

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                              • F F ES Sitecore

                                No, because the "possibility" was described as "high" which moves it from a binary construct to a scale.

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                                musefan
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                                I don't see why that matters.. you are just basically saying "there is a high chance it will be (1) rather than (0)". The fact you are including the likeliness of it happening does not change the fact it either will happen or won't happen (binary). Also, what about these examples[^]?

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