LinkedIn is a stalking ground for incompetent recruiters...
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At least Java is related to programming... I got a truck driver position in central Germany... :laugh:
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... and I just recieved a prime example: It's a Java position (which is not on my resume). It's only 50 miles away, in the middle of a city, so you're looking at 2 ~ 3 hours each way of commuting. And it requires 15 years of related experience as a Software Developer. The post? "Junior Java Developer" Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! :doh:
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That's the reason I don't LinkedIn :) I was also warned that some companies only look there; which is perfect, because they're obviously not really in the need for a programmer then.
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Odd... the only pings I've receive (twice a year, almost like clockwork) are from Google (they're expanding in Toronto) and FB (AFAIK, they're not based in Toronto). I also don't have my profile flagged as open to new opportunities. /ravi
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I also don't have my profile flagged as open to new opportunities
They don't care about that. I always have my profile set to not looking for a new role (or what ever they call it) as I prefer to call a recruiter if I want a new job. But they still have been sending me, we have a role that suits your profile.
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
I also don't have my profile flagged as open to new opportunities
They don't care about that. I always have my profile set to not looking for a new role (or what ever they call it) as I prefer to call a recruiter if I want a new job. But they still have been sending me, we have a role that suits your profile.
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Interesting. The pings I receive from Google are from a real human (the same person I've been contacted by for a few years). FB seems to have a higher turnover of recruiters, because the person changes every 18 months or so. In both cases, the contacts have been unsolicited, although the Google ping is a result of a referral by a friend. But I don't know anyone at FB. /ravi
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I have one for you, not necessarily LinkedIn but shitty recruiter related, none the less. This recruiter that was unable to place me about 5 years ago, sends me emails every so often, asking me if I know of any developers looking for work, but never actually asks me if I would be interested in the position; only if I know someone else that would be. :sigh:
It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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I once got offered a job as a property developer (construction) because my job title states that I'm a Software Developer. Worst of all was that the recruiter could not understand why I couldn't give her a list of the shopping malls I've built in my career (which was 2 years experience at the time).
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
That reminds me... In the 1990, I was a Comp.Sci. college lecturer. There had been a sudden drop in the demand for software people, so our students didn't always find a job after graduation. One of them was hired by a publishing house for typing into the computer the complete works of the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen. He got the job because he, as a programmer, knew how to use a keybard. Then comes the crazy part of the story - unrelated to LinkedIn and recruiting, but it deserves to be told: I was suprised that the job was offered at all. This company had published a new Ibsen Complete only a few years back, which certainly must have been typeset by computer, right? Yes, right. That printing was sold out, and they were going to make a new one. Then they have the typesetting files in their computers, don't they? Well ... This publishing house went directly from lead type to computer typesetting, replacing the technology, but retaining the work procedures with as little change as possible. In the age of lead type, once a printing had been made, the lead was recycled for the next book to be printed. The last (now sold out) Ibsen printing had certainly been made by a computer typesetting system, with the text stored on floppy discs. Once the printing was done, the floppy disks had been recycled, used for their next book. The publishing house guys thought of that as the normal thing to do; in the lead age, you always had to do the typesetting again to make a new printing of an old book. My former student was happy with getting some income while searching for a permanent job, but shook his head as much as I did.
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That reminds me... In the 1990, I was a Comp.Sci. college lecturer. There had been a sudden drop in the demand for software people, so our students didn't always find a job after graduation. One of them was hired by a publishing house for typing into the computer the complete works of the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen. He got the job because he, as a programmer, knew how to use a keybard. Then comes the crazy part of the story - unrelated to LinkedIn and recruiting, but it deserves to be told: I was suprised that the job was offered at all. This company had published a new Ibsen Complete only a few years back, which certainly must have been typeset by computer, right? Yes, right. That printing was sold out, and they were going to make a new one. Then they have the typesetting files in their computers, don't they? Well ... This publishing house went directly from lead type to computer typesetting, replacing the technology, but retaining the work procedures with as little change as possible. In the age of lead type, once a printing had been made, the lead was recycled for the next book to be printed. The last (now sold out) Ibsen printing had certainly been made by a computer typesetting system, with the text stored on floppy discs. Once the printing was done, the floppy disks had been recycled, used for their next book. The publishing house guys thought of that as the normal thing to do; in the lead age, you always had to do the typesetting again to make a new printing of an old book. My former student was happy with getting some income while searching for a permanent job, but shook his head as much as I did.
That is a fail of epic proportions. Maybe even worse than the lady who stuck the floppy disk backup to the office fridge with an industrial strength magnet.
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
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That reminds me... In the 1990, I was a Comp.Sci. college lecturer. There had been a sudden drop in the demand for software people, so our students didn't always find a job after graduation. One of them was hired by a publishing house for typing into the computer the complete works of the Norwegian playwright Henrik Ibsen. He got the job because he, as a programmer, knew how to use a keybard. Then comes the crazy part of the story - unrelated to LinkedIn and recruiting, but it deserves to be told: I was suprised that the job was offered at all. This company had published a new Ibsen Complete only a few years back, which certainly must have been typeset by computer, right? Yes, right. That printing was sold out, and they were going to make a new one. Then they have the typesetting files in their computers, don't they? Well ... This publishing house went directly from lead type to computer typesetting, replacing the technology, but retaining the work procedures with as little change as possible. In the age of lead type, once a printing had been made, the lead was recycled for the next book to be printed. The last (now sold out) Ibsen printing had certainly been made by a computer typesetting system, with the text stored on floppy discs. Once the printing was done, the floppy disks had been recycled, used for their next book. The publishing house guys thought of that as the normal thing to do; in the lead age, you always had to do the typesetting again to make a new printing of an old book. My former student was happy with getting some income while searching for a permanent job, but shook his head as much as I did.
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... and I just recieved a prime example: It's a Java position (which is not on my resume). It's only 50 miles away, in the middle of a city, so you're looking at 2 ~ 3 hours each way of commuting. And it requires 15 years of related experience as a Software Developer. The post? "Junior Java Developer" Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! :doh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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... and I just recieved a prime example: It's a Java position (which is not on my resume). It's only 50 miles away, in the middle of a city, so you're looking at 2 ~ 3 hours each way of commuting. And it requires 15 years of related experience as a Software Developer. The post? "Junior Java Developer" Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! :doh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I can see how that might be frustrating or humiliating. I'm not a big fan of Java personally, but I feel I can code it. The thing that irritates me more than anything else is "Must have X years of experience in XYX" programming language. That's usually not a good indicator of a programmer's ability to adapt. When screening for candidates, companies should search on paradigms (Imperative, OOP and Functional) and possibly experience with APIs and business processes to see if a candidate is a good fit. I'm thinking about applying for a IT job with the IRS, but for their external positions, they often say something like "Must have X number of years of programming experience in Java or COBOL..." I can understand why companies look for programmers with COBOL experience because COBOL is IMO very hard for a CS graduate to tolerate, but Java is a respectable language even if C# and Haskell are better :)
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It doesn't really matter because I have a very good gig right now making great money. Recruiter's loss, really.
It's much easier to enjoy the favor of both friend and foe, and not give a damn who's who. -- Lon Milo DuQuette
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... and I just recieved a prime example: It's a Java position (which is not on my resume). It's only 50 miles away, in the middle of a city, so you're looking at 2 ~ 3 hours each way of commuting. And it requires 15 years of related experience as a Software Developer. The post? "Junior Java Developer" Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! :doh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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... and I just recieved a prime example: It's a Java position (which is not on my resume). It's only 50 miles away, in the middle of a city, so you're looking at 2 ~ 3 hours each way of commuting. And it requires 15 years of related experience as a Software Developer. The post? "Junior Java Developer" Yeah, that sounds like a great idea! :doh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
It has always been like this in the profession. It is just becoming more pronounced as a result of the Internet and the constant churn of the technologies being used on it. I retired in 2014, though I still do development on my own projects. And yet I still receive emails from recruiters for various positions, including quite a few, where my resume clearly demonstrates I have no experience in such areas. And considering the increasing and rampant age discrimination in our profession, one would think that a quick look at my resume would clearly indicate that I would be too old for such consideration (And yes this form of discrimination will get everyone here as well; you ain't getting younger.). Recently I signed up with Indeed to see if I could get some remote, software, technical writing work. Now I receive emails from Indeed for all sorts of projects that I don't have the slightest expertise in. Before the Internet became a thing, recruiters would often list an entire laundry list of requirements for developers whether they worked in the Java Community or the Microsoft Development Community. Obviously the job specifications were so flagrant and outlandish one had to wonder how anyone ever got called in for an interview. :^) Going back further to the day that IT was transitioning between Visual Basic 5.0 and 6.0, recruiters would not look at anyone without substantial Visual Basic 6.0 experience, even though there were no significant differences between the two environments by which a competent Visual Basic developer could not easily acclimate to... The issues being reported here regarding the nonsense now coming out of LinkedIn recruitment for technical professionals is just another development in the on-going deterioration in the usage of technologies over the Internet. In the last two years alone, I have seen a trend demonstrating that development is increasingly producing shoddy results. For example, I have seen an increased usage of flaky drop-down entry forms whereby if you move your mouse just slightly while attempting to enter some text, the form suddenly disappears along with your text. And it can be quite maddening after several attempts at this. Of course the most serious examples are the ongoing disastrous issues with Boeing Corporation where present trends are starting to show that the company will very possibly be bankrupt by the end of 2020. Though many tend to laugh off such issues, such as the one here with LinkedIn, the totality of such issues is becoming an inc
