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    Marc Clifton
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    ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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      Lost User
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      many years ago, back in the early days of even MSDOS some unix folks created unix [like] commands for DOS: grep, ls, diff, even ed/sed and one guy even wrote a half descent sh (bourne). guess what microsoft are doing today! nothing for us to get... something they are very ...excited about living in the past is just one of their things.

      after many otherwise intelligent sounding suggestions that achieved nothing the nice folks at Technet said the only solution was to low level format my hard disk then reinstall my signature. Sadly, this still didn't fix the issue!

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        ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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        Mark_Wallace
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        The ms developer's response to the ticket that someone put in for that says that it's already broken, so they're not going to fix it.

        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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          ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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          I remember back in middle school in the 80s working with HyperCard to set up custom stacks on the school's Macs (goofy things like choose your own adventure games, etc.). And they called them Hyperlinks back then too.

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            ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

            Latest Articles:
            Abusing Extension Methods, Null Continuation, and Null Coalescence Operators

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            Sander Rossel
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            But what's that weird save icon?

            Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              ...like right clicking on a link in a Word document and the popup menu still calls it a "Hyperlink" :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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              Abusing Extension Methods, Null Continuation, and Null Coalescence Operators

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              ZurdoDev
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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              still calls it a "Hyperlink"

              I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now. :doh:

              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                I remember back in middle school in the 80s working with HyperCard to set up custom stacks on the school's Macs (goofy things like choose your own adventure games, etc.). And they called them Hyperlinks back then too.

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                Marc Clifton
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                AFell2 wrote:

                And they called them Hyperlinks back then too.

                Yes, exactly! The 1980's! And at that point, HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) was new or unheard of. But now? :laugh:

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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  still calls it a "Hyperlink"

                  I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now. :doh:

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  Marc Clifton
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                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now.

                  It's just that, as far as I can tell, every other app calls them "links" now.

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                    ZurdoDev wrote:

                    I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now.

                    It's just that, as far as I can tell, every other app calls them "links" now.

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                    ZurdoDev
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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    every other app calls them "links" now.

                    app = application so it makes sense we should shorten hyperlinks to just links, I suppose. :-D

                    Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      But what's that weird save icon?

                      Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      But what's that weird save icon?

                      Someone one here (I'm sure he/she'll jump in) said his kid saw a floppy disk, and asked him, "why did you print a Save icon with your 3D printer?"... I'm surely misremembering details...but you get the idea.

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                        ZurdoDev wrote:

                        I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now.

                        It's just that, as far as I can tell, every other app calls them "links" now.

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                        Maximilien
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                        I would have liked "hypers" instead of links. much cooler. hey, click on the hyper.

                        I'd rather be phishing!

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                          I would have liked "hypers" instead of links. much cooler. hey, click on the hyper.

                          I'd rather be phishing!

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                          DJ van Wyk
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                          No hipster, we will not be using that lingo here. ;P

                          My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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                            AFell2 wrote:

                            And they called them Hyperlinks back then too.

                            Yes, exactly! The 1980's! And at that point, HTTP (Hypertext Transfer Protocol) was new or unheard of. But now? :laugh:

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                            But hypertext was a well known concept. Ted Nelsons book was published in 1974. Every now and then I bring my copy of the book to work to show to young, new employees the ideas of almost fifty years ago. They are amused, and a little bit impressed. Some are fascinated when I point out Ted Nelson's two different hypertext scenarios: The one that survived, where text is is the vertices (nodes); edges (links) are without content. In the second one, vertices are mere selection points; text is found on the edge between two selection points. You consider text from one vertex to the second to the third and so on as one continous, coherent chain of text fragments to be read as a whole. The two approaches obviously are suited for different uses. In a network of independent nodes you cannot easily store much data between the nodes. The text-in-the-edges approach is mainly suited for one coherent text body, that can be read along an arbitrary number of paths. When I write a personal letter (I am old enough to remember the days when that was a common thing...), writing one sentence gives me two different associations, two lines of thought, and I wish I could follow both in the following sentence. I am forced to string them out sequentially. In printed books, footnotes are a slight suggestion of the concept, but you can't follow the footnote path very long (*), and you divert from the main track, you are not given two+ equivalent alternative paths. Most people never considered alternatives to text-in-the-nodes. Presentation of an alternative sets them thinking: Everyone knows the situation where you want to follow two lines of thought from the same point; they certainly see the usefulness of the alternative that lost. So let us bring it back again! (*) Except for some authors that excel in writing footnotes to footnotes, present major plots in footnotes etc. Some books may be read either way - e.g. "Spoon River Anthology" may be be read as a continous path from one person/epitaph to another one, crisscrossing through Spoon River, even though it textually is a text-in-nodes structure.

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                              Marc Clifton wrote:

                              every other app calls them "links" now.

                              app = application so it makes sense we should shorten hyperlinks to just links, I suppose. :-D

                              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              Links is highly ambigious, hyperlinks less so. Links may be any sort of reference or asocciation. It may be "backwards" screws/nuts. It may be a radio beam. It may be a fragment of a chain. There are thousands of ambiguous terms that we still manage to handle. In most cases, we get the right understanding from context. In some contexts, two or more interpretations are equally valid. There is the classical example: "You are right" - "right" is unambiguous in this context, right? But the statement was made at a tennis court, with two couples. So the complete statement is "You are right. I am left". Is the understanding of "right" still the same? Now at this tennis court, there are actually three couples who play around. So the statement uttered is not yet complete - it could either be: "You are right. I am left. She is middle." The second meaning of "right" prevails. Or they may be taking a brief rest, and one of the guys tells "You are right. I am left. She is gone!". The last word in the third sentence completely reverses the meaning of the two preceding sentences. Hooray for ambiguous terms!

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                                Links is highly ambigious, hyperlinks less so. Links may be any sort of reference or asocciation. It may be "backwards" screws/nuts. It may be a radio beam. It may be a fragment of a chain. There are thousands of ambiguous terms that we still manage to handle. In most cases, we get the right understanding from context. In some contexts, two or more interpretations are equally valid. There is the classical example: "You are right" - "right" is unambiguous in this context, right? But the statement was made at a tennis court, with two couples. So the complete statement is "You are right. I am left". Is the understanding of "right" still the same? Now at this tennis court, there are actually three couples who play around. So the statement uttered is not yet complete - it could either be: "You are right. I am left. She is middle." The second meaning of "right" prevails. Or they may be taking a brief rest, and one of the guys tells "You are right. I am left. She is gone!". The last word in the third sentence completely reverses the meaning of the two preceding sentences. Hooray for ambiguous terms!

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                                Proof Positive that AI will ultimately fail (     OR AI interpretations will rule and we will be assimilated into the data)

                                Ravings en masse^

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                                  still calls it a "Hyperlink"

                                  I guess I did not get the memo that they are called something different now. :doh:

                                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                  how about extralink? external to current document/context or intralink? internal to current document/context. e.g., bookmark but then you would need two different menu options!

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                                    Proof Positive that AI will ultimately fail (     OR AI interpretations will rule and we will be assimilated into the data)

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    Let's not forget that a significant part of jokes are based on ambiguity. I don't want to loose that!

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                                      Let's not forget that a significant part of jokes are based on ambiguity. I don't want to loose that!

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                                      W Balboos GHB
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                                      "Thought of the Day" posts ca. 11:00 EST. In the lounge yet all the way from Whales. . . . . be there . . .

                                      Ravings en masse^

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                                        But what's that weird save icon?

                                        Someone one here (I'm sure he/she'll jump in) said his kid saw a floppy disk, and asked him, "why did you print a Save icon with your 3D printer?"... I'm surely misremembering details...but you get the idea.

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                                        haha! that's a good one :-)

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                                          haha! that's a good one :-)

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                                          There are technologically inclined kids out there who have never seen a floppy disk, so that reaction makes sense...

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