The worst Corona could have done
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[DELETED] This isn't about young healthy people getting sick, this is about preventing the spread of a pandemic and limiting it's growth rate to that which medical facilities can cope with. Because it kills 3.5% of all infected persons, and if everyone on the planet gets infected that's around 250,000,000 people who die as a result. The slower it spreads, the better medical facilities can handle it, and the lower the death rate. And large (or even medium sized) groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around, particularly since it seems you can be infectious without showing symptoms. So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
You're right there but I, along with my professor was working on a ML project related to pandemics and as per plan it could have been in the favor of the situation but we had to stop. Also we're on different pages here. So many people are still not necessarily taking precautionary health measures which perhaps could help more in controlling the situation than just shutting everything down. I'm also concerned how this shut down is going to affect the world economy. But I understand that we're living in different parts of the world which is why we might have different perspectives. :)
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If there is a spread in universities and schools, shutting them down is the most stupid thing you can do. Now all sick students will go home to their parents...
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The idea is to get them home before it spreads among them, and then out from there.
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If there is a spread in universities and schools, shutting them down is the most stupid thing you can do. Now all sick students will go home to their parents...
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Now all sick students will go home to their parents...
Exactly. How is that going to help the situation? :|
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Elsewhere, students are jumping in joy that their university classes are cancelled, shouting 'Jai Corona' (Victory to Corona)! Watch this video Students Chant 'Jai Corona' After IIT Delhi Shuts Operation | ABP News - YouTube[^] (Video is in Hindi, but you will anyway notice the students' joy).
Amarnath S wrote:
Video is in Hindi
I understand Hindi so that's not an issue. ;P Almost same happened here. After the announcement of shutdown, students came out for Khokha Rave (This is a special term used at my university for student gathering and dancing). Does that make any sense? :doh:
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The idea is to get them home before it spreads among them, and then out from there.
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And you think that will work? I think you will have a load of bored youth with nothing to do, that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two, and still get sick. But now they live with their parents instead. <edit>after reading Amarnaths response below I realize I'm a bit optimistic here</edit>
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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[DELETED] This isn't about young healthy people getting sick, this is about preventing the spread of a pandemic and limiting it's growth rate to that which medical facilities can cope with. Because it kills 3.5% of all infected persons, and if everyone on the planet gets infected that's around 250,000,000 people who die as a result. The slower it spreads, the better medical facilities can handle it, and the lower the death rate. And large (or even medium sized) groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around, particularly since it seems you can be infectious without showing symptoms. So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
The problem is that we have no vaccine... So how many month will you shut-in those are not in real danger? A year? It would be much better to separate those are in the danger zone and let others immune system do the work for them... It will create a lot of sick people, but most of them (the real majority) will go home for two weeks and done with it... When the percentage of inflected pass the 25% barrier we will see a magical slow-down of the spread... As for now the fact that isolation slows down the spread has no meaning if you intend to release the people from isolation in a few months now - we will be back to square one then...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Amarnath S wrote:
Video is in Hindi
I understand Hindi so that's not an issue. ;P Almost same happened here. After the announcement of shutdown, students came out for Khokha Rave (This is a special term used at my university for student gathering and dancing). Does that make any sense? :doh:
Yes, it is an unfortunate situation. But, I feel the precautions are necessary, to curtail spread of the virus, at least till a reasonable cure/remedy is invented.
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My university is undergoing quarantine. All the classes have been cancelled, midterms postponed and all. We can't avail any facilities like gym or squash courts (now where am I supposed to take out my frustration :mad: ). Worst is, we are being kicked out of hostels and forced to go home. Like why can't we do this quarantine thing at hostels and labs. I still have tons of work to finish. How am I supposed to do research at home? :| I had squash tournament going on and my team qualified for nationals which is a big thing at least for me but here we are with Corona......EVERYTHING cancelled. I was literally completely unbothered by the virus until now since I'm not afraid of dying or what so ever but this shut-down is making me go nuts now. I think this shut down is much worse than virus itself. Bankruptcy rate will go much higher than death rate. Whatever :|
You remember me my niece, who wrote to the minster of education to cancel - or at least shorten - summer vacation... She almost got killed for that :laugh:
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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The problem is that we have no vaccine... So how many month will you shut-in those are not in real danger? A year? It would be much better to separate those are in the danger zone and let others immune system do the work for them... It will create a lot of sick people, but most of them (the real majority) will go home for two weeks and done with it... When the percentage of inflected pass the 25% barrier we will see a magical slow-down of the spread... As for now the fact that isolation slows down the spread has no meaning if you intend to release the people from isolation in a few months now - we will be back to square one then...
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
No, the idea is to take the strain off the medical facilities by spreading the infection out over a longer period. If 1000 people get it on the same day, that's a lot of stress on limited resources. If the same 1000 people get it at a rate of ten a day, then the stress on resources is lower in the short term and it can be managed better. Instead of having 900 people on trolleys in corridors wondering when they get a share of the oxygen tank, you get a much smaller number on beds with "proper care". And bored students at home is one thing, bored students in a hostel full of other bored, randy, pisshead / dopehead students is entirely another! (Or had you forgotten your Uni days? :laugh: )
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No, the idea is to take the strain off the medical facilities by spreading the infection out over a longer period. If 1000 people get it on the same day, that's a lot of stress on limited resources. If the same 1000 people get it at a rate of ten a day, then the stress on resources is lower in the short term and it can be managed better. Instead of having 900 people on trolleys in corridors wondering when they get a share of the oxygen tank, you get a much smaller number on beds with "proper care". And bored students at home is one thing, bored students in a hostel full of other bored, randy, pisshead / dopehead students is entirely another! (Or had you forgotten your Uni days? :laugh: )
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And bored students at home is one thing, bored students in a hostel full of other bored, randy, pisshead / dopehead students is entirely another!
My reference was to the working people - not those lazy students... :-) And bored students at home (4 of them) is something I have experience with from close... That's why I want to keep working at the office :laugh:
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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And you think that will work? I think you will have a load of bored youth with nothing to do, that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two, and still get sick. But now they live with their parents instead. <edit>after reading Amarnaths response below I realize I'm a bit optimistic here</edit>
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two
I believe this is less likely if they're home, because if they're still living around university, it's more tempting/easy to do so since most of your friends are living much more nearby. Even if you assume that everyone is responsible, student housing with shared accomodities seems like a good place to catch the virus. Sure, you're not with your parents, but you cannot guarantee complete separation of the younger and older generation -- some students could still go to their parents, and students also still have to go to stores to get food. It's unrealistic that different generations don't meet there. My university has moved all education activities to online platform, and asked students to go home if they could. So I'm home now and this is surely the place I'd rather be, despite being with my parents. It just feels safer for everyone.
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My university is undergoing quarantine. All the classes have been cancelled, midterms postponed and all. We can't avail any facilities like gym or squash courts (now where am I supposed to take out my frustration :mad: ). Worst is, we are being kicked out of hostels and forced to go home. Like why can't we do this quarantine thing at hostels and labs. I still have tons of work to finish. How am I supposed to do research at home? :| I had squash tournament going on and my team qualified for nationals which is a big thing at least for me but here we are with Corona......EVERYTHING cancelled. I was literally completely unbothered by the virus until now since I'm not afraid of dying or what so ever but this shut-down is making me go nuts now. I think this shut down is much worse than virus itself. Bankruptcy rate will go much higher than death rate. Whatever :|
this whole corona thing is nothing to worry about, a flea on an elephant. it's the consequences of what happens next that will have the largest impact. RIP Dumbo. ... forget toilet paper, it's really not going to help with that!
pestilence [ pes-tl-uh ns ] noun 1. a deadly or virulent epidemic disease. especially bubonic plague. 2. something that is considered harmful, destructive, or evil. Synonyms: pest, plague, people
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[DELETED] This isn't about young healthy people getting sick, this is about preventing the spread of a pandemic and limiting it's growth rate to that which medical facilities can cope with. Because it kills 3.5% of all infected persons, and if everyone on the planet gets infected that's around 250,000,000 people who die as a result. The slower it spreads, the better medical facilities can handle it, and the lower the death rate. And large (or even medium sized) groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around, particularly since it seems you can be infectious without showing symptoms. So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
OriginalGriff wrote:
it kills 3.5% of all infected persons
I don't know how they managed to reach that percentage, but 5,846 deaths and 75,954 recovered[^] works out as 7.7%, for me. Maybe I just don't understand Maths as well as people who studied medicine.
OriginalGriff wrote:
groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around
They're closing hardly any schools in NL, because they say that children aren't as much at risk of getting bad cases, and rarely even have visible symptoms. What children are good at, however (particularly symptomless ones), is carrying diseases to their parents, aunties, uncles, grannies, grandpas, neighbours, and everyone else. The logic that rattles around in some people's (presumably empty) heads eludes me, sometimes. If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
So stop whining about what are in the broad scheme of things minor hiccoughs, and think about your duties to your fellow human beings...
You're right there but I, along with my professor was working on a ML project related to pandemics and as per plan it could have been in the favor of the situation but we had to stop. Also we're on different pages here. So many people are still not necessarily taking precautionary health measures which perhaps could help more in controlling the situation than just shutting everything down. I'm also concerned how this shut down is going to affect the world economy. But I understand that we're living in different parts of the world which is why we might have different perspectives. :)
MehreenTahir wrote:
I'm also concerned how this shut down is going to affect the world economy.
That's an easy one. More people alive when it's over = more people to rebuild the economy.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
it kills 3.5% of all infected persons
I don't know how they managed to reach that percentage, but 5,846 deaths and 75,954 recovered[^] works out as 7.7%, for me. Maybe I just don't understand Maths as well as people who studied medicine.
OriginalGriff wrote:
groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around
They're closing hardly any schools in NL, because they say that children aren't as much at risk of getting bad cases, and rarely even have visible symptoms. What children are good at, however (particularly symptomless ones), is carrying diseases to their parents, aunties, uncles, grannies, grandpas, neighbours, and everyone else. The logic that rattles around in some people's (presumably empty) heads eludes me, sometimes. If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
Oh, trust me - I've been doing that for decades! :laugh:
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
Oh, trust me - I've been doing that for decades! :laugh:
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Mark_Wallace wrote:
If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
Oh, trust me - I've been doing that for decades!
Ain't restraining orders a bitch?
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He deleted the comment. I think you should too delete the quote
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
it kills 3.5% of all infected persons
I don't know how they managed to reach that percentage, but 5,846 deaths and 75,954 recovered[^] works out as 7.7%, for me. Maybe I just don't understand Maths as well as people who studied medicine.
OriginalGriff wrote:
groups of young people are a damn fine way to spread this around
They're closing hardly any schools in NL, because they say that children aren't as much at risk of getting bad cases, and rarely even have visible symptoms. What children are good at, however (particularly symptomless ones), is carrying diseases to their parents, aunties, uncles, grannies, grandpas, neighbours, and everyone else. The logic that rattles around in some people's (presumably empty) heads eludes me, sometimes. If you see a bunch of schoolchildren going home from school, go in the other direction.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
The problem with these numbers is that they aren't testing everyone. So they don't actually know who's had it or not. What we are seeing is an educated guess. Probably a better guess than most of us can come up with, but still a guess. Here they tried to test everyone in the infectuous chain until it was clear it's spreading in society. Now they only test the sick ones, to know how to keep the hospital personnel safer. That's all about using the resources as good as possible. There is only one (1) country that has the resources to test everyone that wants to get tested. So take a look at the numbers of South Korea for (possibly) better statistics. South Korea Coronavirus: 8,162 Cases and 75 Deaths - Worldometer[^] The other thing is that the first approximation from China that children doesn't spread the disease was probably quite wrong. Children isn't in the statistics because they never needed to go to hospital.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two
I believe this is less likely if they're home, because if they're still living around university, it's more tempting/easy to do so since most of your friends are living much more nearby. Even if you assume that everyone is responsible, student housing with shared accomodities seems like a good place to catch the virus. Sure, you're not with your parents, but you cannot guarantee complete separation of the younger and older generation -- some students could still go to their parents, and students also still have to go to stores to get food. It's unrealistic that different generations don't meet there. My university has moved all education activities to online platform, and asked students to go home if they could. So I'm home now and this is surely the place I'd rather be, despite being with my parents. It just feels safer for everyone.
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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And you think that will work? I think you will have a load of bored youth with nothing to do, that will start meeting up with each other anyway after a week or two, and still get sick. But now they live with their parents instead. <edit>after reading Amarnaths response below I realize I'm a bit optimistic here</edit>
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Still the numbers are different. If you meet your friends, you are moving within a moderated number of contact people. In the classes or in the cantine (college restaurant or whatever the name is) that numbers are much, much higher. When I was studying, I had some lessons where we were between 250 and 300 people in the room. And our cantine had sit places for 650 people (getting used 3 or 4 times in a row at rush hours). So yes... I see the point with "it is impossible to avoid spread", the point is not to avoid it, the point is to slow it down.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
