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Nelek wrote:
I suppose you want to say "last year", as "this year" is not ended yet.
Actually, the website says "this year" so I assume that's 1.5 million deaths from smoking in a little under four months. That seems about right, according to Fast Facts | Fact Sheets | Smoking & Tobacco Use | CDC[^] which states 7 million deaths per year. The #1 preventable cause of death. Yet we do nothing. Well, that's not completely true, there are anti-smoking laws. But it's nothing compared to what we're doing against the far less deadly COVID-19. Here's a comparable website for alcohol: Alcohol Facts and Statistics | National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)[^] (although it's USA specific). "making alcohol the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States. The first is tobacco, and the second is poor diet and physical inactivity." According to the WHO alcohol causes 5 million deaths a year worldwide[^]. Maybe people "choose" to smoke, drink or eat unhealthy so we'll allow it. I have no data on deaths from passive smokers or casualties from drunk drivers. So I wonder, if we can fight COVID-19 so vigorously and are apparently willing to sacrifice the economy and many more lives to save statistically few lives, why can't we do the same with tobacco, unhealthy food and alcohol? :confused: I guess COVID-19 floods the intensive care while the others do not and that makes all the difference?
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French study suggests smokers at lower risk of getting coronavirus[^]
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Just curious: Is the www.worldometers.info[^] website available in the USA?
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Answers covered a wider range of topics than I expected.
Pretty sure that was exactly why you asked it. Why else would you ask if a site is available in the US or not? Why wouldn't it be?
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Answers covered a wider range of topics than I expected.
Pretty sure that was exactly why you asked it. Why else would you ask if a site is available in the US or not? Why wouldn't it be?
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Sometimes you get the impression that the information available on the web site is not commonly known in the USA. But that might be moving into politics, which we are not supposed to do.
Member 7989122 wrote:
Sometimes you get the impression that the information available on the web site is not commonly known in the USA.
It's just some numbers. They don't really mean much. You can't just straightly compare one number to another.
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Member 7989122 wrote:
Sometimes you get the impression that the information available on the web site is not commonly known in the USA.
It's just some numbers. They don't really mean much. You can't just straightly compare one number to another.
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1,539,153 Deaths caused by smoking this year 770,064 Deaths caused by alcohol this year 1,692,170,966 Overweight people in the world 755,020,768 Obese people in the world Three very unnecessary products, tobacco, alcohol and fast food, take more lives than COVID-19 ever will. When will they be banned? When are we shutting down the economy for those? I know, the US already tried that with alcohol, but that's about a 100 years ago (not that I think it would be successful now). Basically, what we're saying is that 177,000 deaths from COVID-19 is a real crisis, but 1,539,153 deaths from smoking (that's more than eight times as many) is fine. The current measures will result in an economic crisis of proportions that we haven't seen before. The 2008 crisis alone took more lives than COVID-19. I guess more deaths is a fair price to save fewer lives. I'm just a bit confused by the math of it all :confused: Of course all of this is less about numbers than it is about "how we feel".
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There IS a difference, of course. Smoking, Drinking, and to a lesser extent Obesity are personal choices. You can decide not to smoke or drink, or decide to go on a diet. In other words, these are lifestyle choices. Covid-19 is not such a thing. Closing down the economy to stop smoking and drinking would in all likelyhood be counterproductive. Closing down the economy to avoid close social interaction will reduce the transmission of Covid-19. The maths of it is trivial and should not need explaining to software engineers. :)
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Just curious: Is the www.worldometers.info[^] website available in the USA?
One of the graphs I have never seen is the deaths by age group. Seems like mother nature is targeting the those who can no longer reproduce!
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There IS a difference, of course. Smoking, Drinking, and to a lesser extent Obesity are personal choices. You can decide not to smoke or drink, or decide to go on a diet. In other words, these are lifestyle choices. Covid-19 is not such a thing. Closing down the economy to stop smoking and drinking would in all likelyhood be counterproductive. Closing down the economy to avoid close social interaction will reduce the transmission of Covid-19. The maths of it is trivial and should not need explaining to software engineers. :)
Bram van Kampen
I went out on a wrong promise, saving as much lives as possible. The premise should've been, saving my life and those I love as much as possible. In my boundless naivety I assumed we were trying to make the world a better place :sigh:
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