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  • J jhaga

    I just made some calculations and got this: E=m*c2 is it right? CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!

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    jhaga wrote: is it right? Not in my mind. It's 20th century mumbo jumbo. E=mc2 is nice for school kids, scientific illiterates to learn etc. But if it were true it would force space to be continually contracting. And we know that currently the universe is expanding. Unless of course we were now travelling backwards in time, then it would make sense. Regardz Colin J Davies

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      Probably becuase they aren't the same. For one, the speed of light is a constant, where time is a variable. And they aren't the same units. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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      Agreed, I was going to post a reply something like yours. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies

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        does T = c ? Time = Speed of Light ? I tried researching on internet but nothing :| Later,
        JoeSox
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        The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light Roger Stewart "I Owe, I Owe, it's off to work I go..."

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          jhaga wrote: is it right? Not in my mind. It's 20th century mumbo jumbo. E=mc2 is nice for school kids, scientific illiterates to learn etc. But if it were true it would force space to be continually contracting. And we know that currently the universe is expanding. Unless of course we were now travelling backwards in time, then it would make sense. Regardz Colin J Davies

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          So you are saying that if Einstein was right we are all getting younger? And time for me is more a constant than a variable. I have difficult to see how the speed of time could change. jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!

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            Probably becuase they aren't the same. For one, the speed of light is a constant, where time is a variable. And they aren't the same units. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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            Navin wrote: the speed of light is a constant That's according to Einstein see, this is where it gets tricky, because this is currently being debated. read this "..Recent observations of quasar light however (by astronomer Webb et al), have brought this into serious question (by physicists Banks, Dine, and Douglas). The implications of which may be, among other, that light has significantly slowed down during the expansion of the universe to its present size..." http://users.iafrica.com/l/ll/lloyd/1-IsraelTimeLine/1-Adam-Moses/1-Beginnings.html[^] and this http://www.umich.edu/~mctp/media/EandMC2.html[^] "...The field, while still small, is destined for at least 15 minutes of fame next year with the publication in February of ''Faster Than the Speed of Light,'' by Dr. Jo?o Magueijo, a cosmologist at Imperial College London. The book is a racy account of Dr. Magueijo's seemingly heretical effort to modify relativity so that the speed of light is not constant, and he will promote it on a long lecture tour. ''Ruling out special relativity by 2005 is a bit extreme,'' Dr. Magueijo said in a recent e-mail message, referring to the coming centennial of Einstein's famous paper, ''although I would be very surprised if by 2050 nothing beyond relativity has been found...''" Later,
            JoeSox
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              The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light Roger Stewart "I Owe, I Owe, it's off to work I go..."

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              Roger Stewart wrote: The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? :~ Later,
              JoeSox
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                Roger Stewart wrote: The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? :~ Later,
                JoeSox
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                JoeSox wrote: I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? Whats up with all the questions? Is this your homework? ;P Time (in reqards to waves) = the time it takes to complete one cycle of the wave. Distance = wavelength Speed of Light (in empty space) = approx. 300,000 km/s Roger Stewart "I Owe, I Owe, it's off to work I go..."

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                  JoeSox wrote: I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? Whats up with all the questions? Is this your homework? ;P Time (in reqards to waves) = the time it takes to complete one cycle of the wave. Distance = wavelength Speed of Light (in empty space) = approx. 300,000 km/s Roger Stewart "I Owe, I Owe, it's off to work I go..."

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                  Roger Stewart wrote: Whats up with all the questions? Is this your homework? no just goofing around, bored.:laugh: thanks. Later,
                  JoeSox
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                    Roger Stewart wrote: The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? :~ Later,
                    JoeSox
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                    c = 3x10^8 m/s :-D The tigress is here :-D

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                      c = 3x10^8 m/s :-D The tigress is here :-D

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                      t = λ / c seconds:-D

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                      It tolls for thee..."

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                        Navin wrote: the speed of light is a constant That's according to Einstein see, this is where it gets tricky, because this is currently being debated. read this "..Recent observations of quasar light however (by astronomer Webb et al), have brought this into serious question (by physicists Banks, Dine, and Douglas). The implications of which may be, among other, that light has significantly slowed down during the expansion of the universe to its present size..." http://users.iafrica.com/l/ll/lloyd/1-IsraelTimeLine/1-Adam-Moses/1-Beginnings.html[^] and this http://www.umich.edu/~mctp/media/EandMC2.html[^] "...The field, while still small, is destined for at least 15 minutes of fame next year with the publication in February of ''Faster Than the Speed of Light,'' by Dr. Jo?o Magueijo, a cosmologist at Imperial College London. The book is a racy account of Dr. Magueijo's seemingly heretical effort to modify relativity so that the speed of light is not constant, and he will promote it on a long lecture tour. ''Ruling out special relativity by 2005 is a bit extreme,'' Dr. Magueijo said in a recent e-mail message, referring to the coming centennial of Einstein's famous paper, ''although I would be very surprised if by 2050 nothing beyond relativity has been found...''" Later,
                        JoeSox
                        www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)

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                        But... even if it turns out that c is not constant, perhaps it is realted to time, probably by some weird and complex formula, but it won't be equal. The mismatch of units is a dead give-away. That's how I always knew if i had a physics equation wrong... i they units didn't match up, I new I was toast. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein

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                          does T = c ? Time = Speed of Light ? I tried researching on internet but nothing :| Later,
                          JoeSox
                          www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)

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                          I think this is sort of a subjective thing. Time, the passage of time, the quantization of time, etc., is based on human perception or our perception of our machines. Conversely, this perception is governed by fundamental laws of time. For example, chemical reactions occur in the femtosecond time frame. If they occured faster or slower, our perception would be faster or slower. To make things more complicated, even simple senses such as temperature involve the measurement of time. Temperature is the partial derivative of heat transfer over time (if I remember that right). We tend to think of temperature in the absolute, but it's a very complicated perception involving the concept of time. Temperature is an excellent example of time being applied in a rate equation, similarly, velocity. However, the other concept of time is in the measure of "nowness" with relation to the future and the past. How do quantify "now"? Even worse, why is there a "now"? Since science has no answers, you might want to inquire of the philosophers: http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/t/time.htm[^] (an excellent resource for a lot of annoying questions about time, both philosophical and scientific, I'd say) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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                            Roger Stewart wrote: The speed of 'anything', even light, is calculated the same. Speed = Distance / Time So no. Time != speed of light I see, so what does Time equal? anything? what does the speed of light equal? :~ Later,
                            JoeSox
                            www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)

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                            the speed of time is 1 second per second

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                              I think this is sort of a subjective thing. Time, the passage of time, the quantization of time, etc., is based on human perception or our perception of our machines. Conversely, this perception is governed by fundamental laws of time. For example, chemical reactions occur in the femtosecond time frame. If they occured faster or slower, our perception would be faster or slower. To make things more complicated, even simple senses such as temperature involve the measurement of time. Temperature is the partial derivative of heat transfer over time (if I remember that right). We tend to think of temperature in the absolute, but it's a very complicated perception involving the concept of time. Temperature is an excellent example of time being applied in a rate equation, similarly, velocity. However, the other concept of time is in the measure of "nowness" with relation to the future and the past. How do quantify "now"? Even worse, why is there a "now"? Since science has no answers, you might want to inquire of the philosophers: http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/t/time.htm[^] (an excellent resource for a lot of annoying questions about time, both philosophical and scientific, I'd say) Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
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                              Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
                              Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

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                              great link, I have been analyzing, reading, and discussing all day:rolleyes: I will have to read it later. Your analysis sounds good to me. after talking with a friend of mind I can of like the way he put it. "Relativity has reduced time to a fluctuating event.":-D but since I have you here have you ever read about chaos theory? http://www.duke.edu/~mjd/chaos/chaos.html[^] "...For, without a doubt, one cannot really explore chaos without a computer..." ah more motivation for me, to finish my HAI demo, which I have made some promising progress, btw the past couple of days:jig: I can't wait until I'm finished, I feel pressured too, ah. Later,
                              JoeSox
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                                the speed of time is 1 second per second

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                                Mikel wrote: the speed of time is 1 second per second this would change, however, if dark matter exists correct? Like for example a black hole is proposed to slow down time. Later,
                                JoeSox
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                                  Mikel wrote: the speed of time is 1 second per second this would change, however, if dark matter exists correct? Like for example a black hole is proposed to slow down time. Later,
                                  JoeSox
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                                  The more gravity slower time goes!!

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                                    Mikel wrote: the speed of time is 1 second per second this would change, however, if dark matter exists correct? Like for example a black hole is proposed to slow down time. Later,
                                    JoeSox
                                    www.humanaiproject.org "Dream as if you'll live forever; live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean(ISTP)

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                                    this is relative ;P if you will be inside the black hole, you will insist upon fact, that the black hole speeds up the time in rest of universe

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                                      Mikel wrote: the speed of time is 1 second per second this would change, however, if dark matter exists correct? Like for example a black hole is proposed to slow down time. Later,
                                      JoeSox
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                                      JoeSox Like for example a black hole is proposed to slow down time. A black hole is not slowing down time. It is only an outside observer's view that time is slowing down the nearer a black hole you come. The chemical reactions in your body will be the same and you will feel the same way as always. Of course, the heavy gravitation can make your head spin. :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!

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                                        I just made some calculations and got this: E=m*c2 is it right? CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!

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                                        Not entirely, as you have clearly only stated it for the case of a body at rest. ;P Lets see it you can do it for a body that is moving relative to your frame of reference. That will of course be the equation further up on the page, where you scribbled down your calcs.


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                                          Not entirely, as you have clearly only stated it for the case of a body at rest. ;P Lets see it you can do it for a body that is moving relative to your frame of reference. That will of course be the equation further up on the page, where you scribbled down your calcs.


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                                          Sorry, but these kinds of calculations I only do in my head. And some moron has probably already written them down. :) jhaga CodeProject House, Paul Watson wrote: ...and the roar of John Simmons own personal Nascar in the garage. Meg flitting about taking photos.Chris having an heated arguement with Colin Davies and .S.Rod. over egian values. Nish manically typing *censur*. Duncan racing around after his pet *c.* Michael Martin and Bryce loudly yelling *c.* C.G. having a fit as Roger Wright loads up *c.* . Anna waving her *c.* and Deb scoffing chocolates in the corner. ...Good heavens!

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