So I need to buy a new keyboard (or 2)
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THis should last a good while: The Sojourner Keyboard | Datamancer.com[^] You get what you pay for!
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Anandtech reviewed a similar model. It looked pretty; but the non-standard keycaps didn't work well for actual typing. :doh: [Final Words & Conclusion - The Azio Retro Classic Mechanical Keyboard Review: Eyecatching, But Stiff](https://www.anandtech.com/show/11630/azio-retro-classic-mechanical-keyboard-review/5)
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I have done the same maintenance to my keyboards and trackball; perhaps that is why my hardware is 25 years old. And there is nothing wrong with wired or wireless... And not that it matters to me but there is latency in wireless devices. Enough so that an interupt based device (XT, AT, PS2) can make 2 laps around the internet and still get to the CPU before a wireless signal gets there
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I never noticed any delay at all! Note that the Logitech keyboards are not using WiFi wireless technology. The equipment I've got is so old that it is using Logitech's proprietary 2.4 GHz protocol, tailored for this kind of equipment. I believe they now have Bluetooth variants as well. With BT the equipment must wait for its time slot - but the master and slave may negotiate very short intervals between the time slots. (The basic time slot comes at intervals of 625 microsecs.) You will find a lot about very high latency with USB audio devices, but that is caused by the application layer protocol, the time to perform the compression, buffering for retransmission etc. The new Bluetooth LE Audio protocol reduces the latency from 200+ ms to about 20 ms (of which a significant part is collecting an audio block for compression, and performing the compression). Transmitting keypresses require nothing of that sort. I don't know if keyboard/mouse is defined as a standard Bluetooth profile, and can't tell the details of the protocol operation, but BT certainly has the potential to provide single-digit ms latency. You have latency even in cabled USB - in classical USB around 1 ms (each way, if the protocol requires a confirmation message). I know that some gamers thing that is totally uacceptable for high-resolution mice - but those guys are sort of extreme. For ordinary people, reporting mouse movements a thousand times per second is good enough...
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MadMyche wrote:
We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change.
Me too! :laugh: I'm still using an old gray HP keyboard (with a ps/2 to usb adapter) from 1998 when I bought my first Windows system. I've tried others, but none feel as good as this one. It's been a couple of years since the last disassembly and cleaning and I've got a few letters that occasionally stick, so I've been seriously thinking about a replacement. I'll be watching the responses, likely for kbs to avoid. Thanks! :)
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I have a few IBM keyboards of similar vintage -- "they take a licking and keep on clicking!"
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THis should last a good while: The Sojourner Keyboard | Datamancer.com[^] You get what you pay for!
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OMG! Those are so beautiful!
I'm here for whatever you need me to do from the computer.
Wow -- looks useful for times when you need to push those bits on/off without electricity!
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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I am 63 and have been coding since 1984. I loved the Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard so much so that I bought a corded 1 for my desktop PC. But the keys were a bit close together even though I could type much faster than a standard keyboard. For 5 years, I used the Logitech K350 Wave(actually 6 of them): the keys are angled slightly which lessened my having to push my wrists together but the keys were too widely spaced and the membrane keys had a slight stickiness after a few months of use. So I bought a couple mechanical tenkeyless boards with Cherry Brown keys, a nice compromise. My most recent keyboard, the Corsair K70 RGB MK.2 Rapidfire with Cherry Red low-travel keys, combines the short-travel of the Lenovo with non-sticky mechanical(very quiet) keys. I also like the lit keys for low light conditions. I love this keyboard ! Something else you might like is the Jelly Comb wireless vertical mouse(more like a 60 degree slant than vertical). It really helps with the wrist strain. I wouldn't go back to a standard mouse.
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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I use a [Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry MX-Brown switches](https://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/uk-filco-majestouch-2-tenkeyless-nkr-tactile-action-keyboard.asp) (it also comes in a full layout as well as tenkeyless), which is nice, if a little light, and also a [Unicomp buckling spring keyboard](https://www.pckeyboard.com/), which is the closest thing to a Model M you're going to find new... You might be interested in [this resurrection of Model F keyboards](https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/) as well... As bonus content - you might be interested in [Thomas' keyboard reviews](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD0y51PJfvkZNe3y3FR5riw)... They can get sweary at times with particularly bad keyboards...
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Isn't 7 – Beer Font[^] (from the same series) even better?
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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Or what about a Teletype Model 33[^]? I learned my very first Basic programming through one of this kind. Removable data/program storage, with density 10 CPI (paper tape). Read/write speed: 10 bytes/sec. (The interface was 110 bps, but each byte also had start and stop bits.)
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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Take a look at the Kinesis Freestyle 2. It's a split keyboard with an infinitely adjustable angle or the two halves can be separated. It has three potential angles between the two halves. It also has hand rests which really help. My RSI in my wrists has gone from annoying to almost zero with these. My favorite feature! - a Delete key on the left side to be used with your little finger in addition to the standard Delete key on the right at the top. [^]Kinesis Freestyle2 Ergonomic Split Keyboard | Kinesis Keyboards[^] Also available on eBay.
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I can't make any particular recommendation on what keyboard to buy (only you can decide what you like, and it's all very subjective), but the one recommendation I will make is this: Once you find one you like, get some spares. Make sure they all work, but put the spares back in the box and leave them there until the one you use daily dies. I'm very peculiar about my mice and keyboards - too many variations, too easy to find something you dislike. I went for a good decade or two primarily using the same type of mouse (the original white and gray MS IntelliMouse) and was lamenting the fact that they're impossible to find when mine finally became unusable...and then ~2 years ago they came out with a model that was, for all intents and purposes, identical to the original except for its color (which is entirely irrelevant to me). I got one, tried it out, decided it felt *very* close to the original, and bought 5 spares - hopefully enough to last me a lifetime. If someone wants to borrow a mouse from me, they're *not* there for that purpose. That's my private stash, and I'll get very defensive about it. I also have a spare keyboard. I like the one I'm currently using enough to have gotten a spare, but it's still not quite "perfect" to me...otherwise I would have gotten a few more and been done with it. There's nothing worse than having tools you don't like. Getting some extras is absolutely worth the expense, IMO.
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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best keyboard I've ever owned started on a dell laptop with the scissor support. Logitech has one called the y-uy95 illuminated keyboard. Large, lit keys, tactile feedback (not the chiclit crap) with a good wrist support system. But you seem fussy :)
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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best keyboard I've ever owned started on a dell laptop with the scissor support. Logitech has one called the y-uy95 illuminated keyboard. Large, lit keys, tactile feedback (not the chiclit crap) with a good wrist support system. But you seem fussy :)
Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I have a Microsoft Internet Keyboard if you still want one. Basically brand new, just a bit dusty. PM me if interested.
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Standard or Pro (USB and built-in hub)
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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Well, you can still buy type M keyboards. They are manufactured using the original tooling and sold by Unicomp. Reviewers do say that an original model in good condition is better than the Unicomp though - since over the years the tooling has worn a little. Personally, I've tried a lot of keyboards over the past few years. I'm currently using a Razer Chroma - which If you run Linux (or choose not to installed the spyware Razer keyboard drivers) has the best feel I've come across. It uses their green switches, which some people say are like Cherry Blue. I find Cherry Blues more resistant - and less easy to type with. My second preference is the Logitech G810 Orion with Romer-G, these are very tactile, much much lighter. The keys press with barely a breath on them. Quite a different feel.
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We'll just say I am a little picky, and old; and really don't want to change. I have been using the Microsoft Internet Keyboard based keyboard for 20+ years now, the last 15 years or so have all been the Pro version with USB connectivity. Me and my kb have an exclusive relationship; at the office and at home I have the same setup, including the MS Trackball Optical everywhere as well. Prior to this kb I was using Type M or F keyboards back to the 80s Now my home kb is near the point of no return. And they are getting hard to find. So I am going to purchase something new. What I want- 1. I want to keep the same KB angle and rear height. My hands are molded at this angle now. 2. I would like to retain the special purpose keys for email, web, and if I can media controls. 3. Durability. Don't want to have to retrain my hands in 5 years to something different. 4. Full size. I purchased an off-brand MX-Blue keyboard over the weekend and even though the size was a little smaller than I wanted, I could have learned to live with it. I guess it was off-brand as the Enter key was basically sitting at the detent level and other signs of being someone else's reject Suggestions would be appreciated.
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I was able to locate another of the MS keyboards so the immediate crisis is over. I did stop at my local best buy (sic) and the 20 something wanted to sell me a chicklet-keyed wanna be laptop keyboard, as obviously I wasn't a gamer.
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