No Place for VB
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Paul Watson wrote: Naah, they just feel threatened. Yes, I do. It threatens me that VB makes managers think that idiots can write code, and so wages go down almost as fast as the 'system's written by the VB guys. I've met ONE good VB coder in all my coding, and even he admits that any ability VB may have as a lanuage in situations where it's OK to have your hand held is completely besmirched by the fact that the vast majority ( not everyone, but close ) of VB programmers are totally clueless, and not worth having around. Of course, I doubt you fall into that category, I'd count you as one of the few real programmers who just fell into a joke of a language and haven't managed to escape yet. Thank goodness that C# will soon kill VB, people like you will migrate and live, the monkeys will flounder in the pits and die. I mean honestly, read the post that started this thread. Is that what you want to align yourself with ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic
Good points CG !!! Regardz Colin J Davies
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Roger Wright wrote: Quality code can be written in any language, even COBOL if that's what the problem set requires for a solution At last - someone realising that if you want to hammer a nail, a saw won't do the job........ Roger Wright wrote: and let the elitist bunch go their own way. Is it my imagination or is it just a relatively small group who consistently slate VB? Seems to always be the same names cropping up in "VB is pants" type debates - perhaps they ran into VB in a dark alley one night and are traumatised by the experience... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
RichardGrimmer wrote: At last - someone realising that if you want to hammer a nail, a saw won't do the job........ But usually it is the VB crowd who refuse to accept that their tool kit is for hanging pictures, not for building houses.
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Chak wrote: chris lacks knowledge in vb. The entire site is written in VBScript, and it's a damned sight better website than any other competing destination. Chak wrote: chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles There are forums for VB and VB.Net - if they look a bit sparse, that's due to a lack of articles submitted, not Chris' preferences. Perhaps you can add to the collection.:-D There is a tendency in the Lounge to look down on VB programmers, but that's easily ignored. After all, these people think C++ makes sense - consider the source. Ignore them, and have fun with VB if that's your preference. Quality code can be written in any language, even COBOL if that's what the problem set requires for a solution. Code away and contribute to the article collection, and let the elitist bunch go their own way.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."Roger Wright wrote: There is a tendency in the Lounge to look down on VB programmers, but that's easily ignored. After all, these people think C++ makes sense - consider the source. It's not because of this: just take a look at the questions on the forums. The average questions on VB forums are like "how can I connect to a SQL Server with ADO?", while the average C++ questions normally are on more avanced topics, or about OOP and design. Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
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It looks like codeproject is not for VB people. chris lacks knowledge in vb. so chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles:( Chakrapani Ramachandran
Chak wrote: It looks like codeproject is not for VB people Yeah that makes codeproject differ from others.
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It looks like codeproject is not for VB people. chris lacks knowledge in vb. so chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles:( Chakrapani Ramachandran
CodeProject accepts VB.NET articles, but no VB6 articles. cheers, Chris Maunder
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It looks like codeproject is not for VB people. chris lacks knowledge in vb. so chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles:( Chakrapani Ramachandran
There are other places for VB. Like the doctor's office for delisiuanal mid-level managers who think they can program.
"I was in a computer game. Funny as hell, it was the most horrible thing I could think of."
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CodeProject accepts VB.NET articles, but no VB6 articles. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: but no VB6 articles. Interesting. I didn't know that, but I suppose you don't get many anyway. Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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perhaps they ran into VB in a dark alley one night and are traumatised by the experience... Naah, they just feel threatened. And I was going to mention a certain someone but I see you already have him in your sig. ;)
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To quote a very wise man.... "You can of course think what you like, but I couldn't possibly comment..." (Snigger) Thinking about it, isn't the whole thing very similar to the Big car / little..... debate? Paul Watson wrote: And I was going to mention a certain someone but I see you already have him in your sig. Why d'ya think it's there ha ha!!! TBH - am comfortable enough in what I do (which incidentally is a combination of C and VB at the mo!) to know that they're all just jealous lol! "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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It looks like codeproject is not for VB people. chris lacks knowledge in vb. so chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles:( Chakrapani Ramachandran
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l a u r e n wrote: is like saying the pope doesnt know the lords prayer The Pope probably does know the lord's prayer, but lacks the energy to actually vocalize it. I wonder why the Catholics try to find the oldest living Cardinal to assign as the pope. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
...so that the others can continue doing their stuff without him objecting :-D My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers
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Roger Wright wrote: There is a tendency in the Lounge to look down on VB programmers, but that's easily ignored. After all, these people think C++ makes sense - consider the source. It's not because of this: just take a look at the questions on the forums. The average questions on VB forums are like "how can I connect to a SQL Server with ADO?", while the average C++ questions normally are on more avanced topics, or about OOP and design. Kant wrote: Actually she replied back to me "You shouldn't fix the bug. You should kill it"
Of course there are a lot of dumb questions in the VB forum - BASIC, V or otherwise, is a beginners language and I'd expect the questions to be very simplistic. Modern VB is, of coure, far more powerful and complex than the original but it's still a lot easier to start out with than C++. It's also a perfectly legitimate programming language for most day to day uses, and it's a lot easier for a relatively new programmer to produce working, professional looking apps using it.
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It looks like codeproject is not for VB people. chris lacks knowledge in vb. so chris doesn't entertain vb ariticles:( Chakrapani Ramachandran
Here in the UK most cars have a manual gearbox and people look down a bit on American drivers because they mainly drive automatics (one pedal for go, one for stop, a bit like a bumper car at the fairground!!!) Manual cars are a bit harder to learn to drive but they give you a little more control. Both manual and automatic cars get you to work and VB.NET and C# both produce IL. Whats wrong with everyone and their dog thinking they can program? People will always need programming experts for the difficult stuff I want to work on, but the more crud that lesser mortals can deal with, the less ends up on my desk. Asbestos underpants at the ready.
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Roger Wright wrote: Quality code can be written in any language, even COBOL if that's what the problem set requires for a solution At last - someone realising that if you want to hammer a nail, a saw won't do the job........ Roger Wright wrote: and let the elitist bunch go their own way. Is it my imagination or is it just a relatively small group who consistently slate VB? Seems to always be the same names cropping up in "VB is pants" type debates - perhaps they ran into VB in a dark alley one night and are traumatised by the experience... "Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
:laugh::laugh::laugh: You're right, it is a small but vocal crowd that bashes VB here. I've always found it ironic that almost every time I try to find an example of how to do something on MSDN, the code returned is VB. And most of the programs I see on real working computers when I'm out repairing stuff, home and business, are written in VB. Different tools are designed for different jobs, and VB is just another tool. The vast majority of things real poeple and businesses want to do involve saving and retrieving information, doing simple sums, and displaying pretty results. VB is more than adequate for this purpose, and doing this sort of programming in C++ is overkill - great if your programming staff has the skill and wants to use it, but entirely unnecessary.
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Here in the UK most cars have a manual gearbox and people look down a bit on American drivers because they mainly drive automatics (one pedal for go, one for stop, a bit like a bumper car at the fairground!!!) Manual cars are a bit harder to learn to drive but they give you a little more control. Both manual and automatic cars get you to work and VB.NET and C# both produce IL. Whats wrong with everyone and their dog thinking they can program? People will always need programming experts for the difficult stuff I want to work on, but the more crud that lesser mortals can deal with, the less ends up on my desk. Asbestos underpants at the ready.
Richard Day wrote: Manual cars are a bit harder to learn to drive but they give you a little more control. Excellent analogy.:-D Richard Day wrote: the more crud that lesser mortals can deal with, the less ends up on my desk. So true...
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CodeProject accepts VB.NET articles, but no VB6 articles. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: no VB6 articles. Why is that, Chris? I know that it's destined for the trash heap, but VB6 is still around and kicking, and VB.Net is not going to replace it anytime soon.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
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Here in the UK most cars have a manual gearbox and people look down a bit on American drivers because they mainly drive automatics (one pedal for go, one for stop, a bit like a bumper car at the fairground!!!) Manual cars are a bit harder to learn to drive but they give you a little more control. Both manual and automatic cars get you to work and VB.NET and C# both produce IL. Whats wrong with everyone and their dog thinking they can program? People will always need programming experts for the difficult stuff I want to work on, but the more crud that lesser mortals can deal with, the less ends up on my desk. Asbestos underpants at the ready.
Richard Day wrote: Whats wrong with everyone and their dog thinking they can program? People will always need programming experts for the difficult stuff I want to work on, but the more crud that lesser mortals can deal with, the less ends up on my desk. Because somebody has to maintain that "crud" when the original progammer quits, gets fired, etc. I've already re-written 2 VB programs in C++ for this company (one small, one fairly substantial.) VB is a write-only language. If you want to do prototypes, throw-away code, or the like, VB is fine. VB is terrible for anything you need to maintain 5 year down the road. "When a man sits with a pretty girl for an hour, it seems like a minute. But let him sit on a hot stove for a minute and it's longer than any hour. That's relativity." - Albert Einstein
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A bottle a night isn't alcoholism - it's persistence! -- A coworker, jokinglyYou should really put a not worksafe warning for that link! :) Matt Newman
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You should really put a not worksafe warning for that link! :) Matt Newman
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Chris Maunder wrote: no VB6 articles. Why is that, Chris? I know that it's destined for the trash heap, but VB6 is still around and kicking, and VB.Net is not going to replace it anytime soon.
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls;
It tolls for thee..."We want to focus on Visual Studio .NET related content and unfortunately VB6 isn't supported. I understand that VB6 isn't going to die immediately but, well, do we really want to go there? ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Not quite. I rejected a VB article and the author is unhappy. cheers, Chris Maunder