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  • D Daniel Pfeffer

    Let's take the dodge'em cars out of the amusement parks, and put them on the roads, where they belong!

    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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    MarkTJohnson
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    That would be a way to vent road rage in a safe manner.

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      Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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      Lost User
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      The distancing is for the clowns that attack you if you mention they should wear a mask when they don't. Need room to swing or run.

      It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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      • H honey the codewitch

        Studies have shown masks in combination with social distancing reduce the spread. Masks only protect other people from you getting spittle on them. The virus can still transmit if people touch, a mask isn't fitted properly, or even if they breathe to close to each other potentially. Especially with a lot of people, or indoors problem multiplies.

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        ZurdoDev
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        Correct.

        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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          The distancing is for the clowns that attack you if you mention they should wear a mask when they don't. Need room to swing or run.

          It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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          ZurdoDev
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          Gerry Schmitz wrote:

          that attack you if you mention they should wear a mask

          Or those that do the attacking on people NOT wearing a mask. Lots of crazies out there.

          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            PIEBALDconsult wrote:

            only if done properly.

            What does that even mean? How do you properly social distance? 6'? So, 6' is safe but 5'11" is not safe? What is a proper mask? Because most masks people are wearing are not that effective.

            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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            Hold your hands to your face and spit ... maybe that will tweak something.

            It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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              Gerry Schmitz wrote:

              that attack you if you mention they should wear a mask

              Or those that do the attacking on people NOT wearing a mask. Lots of crazies out there.

              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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              Nope ... only ever heard about the scofflaws. The (smart) mask wearer avoids any clowns.

              It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                Hold your hands to your face and spit ... maybe that will tweak something.

                It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                Hold your hands to your face and spit

                Oh my gosh. Can you imagine the freak-outs if someone did that in public? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                • Z ZurdoDev

                  You misunderstood my point. Masks help. But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  You misunderstood my point.

                  Your original point was rather clear.

                  ZurdoDev wrote:

                  But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

                  No one made that claim.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    During surgery, the doctor wears a mask to protect you, not him.

                    Sexist.

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                    :D Can be a female or futa too; not doing the pronoun game.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    • Z ZurdoDev

                      Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                      Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                      Aside from the first response (to which your reply served to demean you) - consider this. Not everyone wears the face mask; not everyone keeps their distance. It's like a try . . . do-not-catch block. Were it not for the unfortunate exchange between those who think about the welfare of others and those who only think about themselves, I'd be fully in favor of letting Darwin handle this.

                      Ravings en masse^

                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        � Forogar � wrote:

                        Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?

                        No. I agreed. :laugh: :laugh: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in. My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.

                        � Forogar � wrote:

                        stay at home

                        We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. :doh:

                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                        Quote:

                        No one else in the office got it

                        Cube walls are amazingly absorbent!

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                          � Forogar � wrote:

                          Exactly what? Are you saying because it doesn't work 100% of the time we shouldn't bother?

                          No. I agreed. :laugh: :laugh: You people read too much into what I say. Stop adding your own bias in. My original point was that masks are not the "end-all" that many have claimed they were. And to enforce social distancing proves that masks aren't the "end-all". That's all.

                          � Forogar � wrote:

                          stay at home

                          We had a coworker come to work for an entire day with symptoms. Her manager finally realized it and sent her home. She tested positive. No one else in the office got it even though she likely had it on her for at least a couple of days. On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2. It's just not as bad as everyone wants to make it. If people are freaking out this much about a 2, what will happen when we have a 7 or 8? People will die just from anxiety. :doh:

                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                          On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2.

                          Says who? Using what metrics?

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                            Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                            Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                            I was invited to a restaurant yesterday morning for breakfast. There were 4 of us at a table. There wasn't 6 feet between the chairs. And nobody ate with a mask on. To follow your train of thought: I've noticed some people were using hand sanitizer on their way out. What message does this send...?

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                              Nearly every business seems to be requiring masks now but what I find interesting is that they are also enforcing social distancing rules as well. It seems that if you are saying we still need to stay away from each other even with masks on you're really saying that masks don't work. Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                              Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                              ZurdoDev wrote:

                              Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                              SARS, MERS, avian flu, swine flu, all their yearly variations...somehow we've made it this far. The difference now is that nobody has a backbone anymore, and nobody wants to be held accountable. If you're instructed by politicians to follow guidelines, and you don't, then it's on you if someone gets infected - they're off the hook, so they're happy. That's why we're doing this. Mark my words, we'll be seeing entire generations of people with [weaker immunity systems than their forbearers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo).

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                                ZurdoDev wrote:

                                You misunderstood my point.

                                Your original point was rather clear.

                                ZurdoDev wrote:

                                But they do not "work" as a solution, which many people have claimed masks are a solution.

                                No one made that claim.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                Your original point was rather clear.

                                I don't think you understood it. I wonder if you can repeat it back in your own words, just to show that you did understand it.

                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                No one made that claim.

                                Tons of people have made that claim. Not sure where you have been.

                                Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                  Quote:

                                  No one else in the office got it

                                  Cube walls are amazingly absorbent!

                                  - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                  ZurdoDev
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                                  � Forogar � wrote:

                                  Cube walls are amazingly absorbent

                                  Possibly, but they are in an open office area. ;)

                                  Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                    Aside from the first response (to which your reply served to demean you) - consider this. Not everyone wears the face mask; not everyone keeps their distance. It's like a try . . . do-not-catch block. Were it not for the unfortunate exchange between those who think about the welfare of others and those who only think about themselves, I'd be fully in favor of letting Darwin handle this.

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    ZurdoDev
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                                    W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:

                                    o which your reply served to demean you

                                    How so?

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                                      ZurdoDev wrote:

                                      On a scale of 1-10 of apocolyptic viruses, this thing is a 2.

                                      Says who? Using what metrics?

                                      "One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson

                                      "Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons

                                      "You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles

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                                      ZurdoDev
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                                      David Crow wrote:

                                      Says who? Using what metrics?

                                      Me and my brain. I'm open to debate though.

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                                        I was invited to a restaurant yesterday morning for breakfast. There were 4 of us at a table. There wasn't 6 feet between the chairs. And nobody ate with a mask on. To follow your train of thought: I've noticed some people were using hand sanitizer on their way out. What message does this send...?

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                                        ZurdoDev
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                                        dandy72 wrote:

                                        on their way out. What message does this send...?

                                        There are crazies everywhere. :laugh:

                                        Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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                                          ZurdoDev wrote:

                                          Too much emotion involved in so many decisions these days. #BringBackLogic

                                          SARS, MERS, avian flu, swine flu, all their yearly variations...somehow we've made it this far. The difference now is that nobody has a backbone anymore, and nobody wants to be held accountable. If you're instructed by politicians to follow guidelines, and you don't, then it's on you if someone gets infected - they're off the hook, so they're happy. That's why we're doing this. Mark my words, we'll be seeing entire generations of people with [weaker immunity systems than their forbearers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo).

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                                          ZurdoDev
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                                          Bingo! :thumbsup:

                                          Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.

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