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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    That's what you are supposed to do, unless you are born with three legs! :laugh: In the uk, it's a requirement as set out in the Highway Code:

    the Offficial Highway Code[^]:

    In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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    Wow, there are coding guidelines for traffic? :omg: I just skimmed over the start of it, and already stumbled over some curiosity (IMHO) among the pedestrian guidelines:

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    2. If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and - be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor light - keep close to the side of the road. It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

    Does anyone actually do that? I mean, walking on the right side of the road (in a country where cars drive on the left side) makes total sense. But then, crossing to the left side and continuing along the long side of the curve when you encounter a right bend :confused: If anything, I'd do the opposite: cross over to the left sight upon encountering a left-hand bend, to cut a corner!

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Put it in "Park", apply the parking brake, and take your foot off the brake pedal.

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      They want the parking brake on even though it's in "Park"? :laugh: At least it'll present anyone who rear-ends you with a nice repair bill. But you're trolling me, right? Right??

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      • P Peter_in_2780

        Something over half a century ago, my father's car had one of those "pull the handle under the dash" handbrakes. One day I grabbed it hard, the cable parted and I smashed my elbow into the door pillar. Many naughty words...

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        About 5 or 10 years ago, I pulled up at the testing station for my MOT* pulled on the handbrake ... and the cable snapped. Also many naughty words ... * MOT is the compulsory annual vehicle check in the UK for all vehicles over three years old to ensure roadworthiness. It used to check you had tread on your tires, the lights worked, and your brakes were capable of stopping you - but it's been expanded to the point where you can fail for having a missing dust cap on your spare tire, or a dashboard light that doesn't come on or go off at the right time.

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        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

          They want the parking brake on even though it's in "Park"? :laugh: At least it'll present anyone who rear-ends you with a nice repair bill. But you're trolling me, right? Right??

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          Not even slightly. Unless an auto is in Park it's effectively in neutral, and can roll back to hit the car behind. Since you are supposed to use your right foot to work the brake and throttle, you need the handbrake on to pull away. Don't blame me, a lot of serious grey men in serious grey suits nibbled biscuits and sipped tea really quietly for weeks while discussing (in committee of course) every nuance of those rules ...

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          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • S Stefan_Lang

            Wow, there are coding guidelines for traffic? :omg: I just skimmed over the start of it, and already stumbled over some curiosity (IMHO) among the pedestrian guidelines:

            Quote:

            2. If there is no pavement, keep to the right-hand side of the road so that you can see oncoming traffic. You should take extra care and - be prepared to walk in single file, especially on narrow roads or in poor light - keep close to the side of the road. It may be safer to cross the road well before a sharp right-hand bend so that oncoming traffic has a better chance of seeing you. Cross back after the bend.

            Does anyone actually do that? I mean, walking on the right side of the road (in a country where cars drive on the left side) makes total sense. But then, crossing to the left side and continuing along the long side of the curve when you encounter a right bend :confused: If anything, I'd do the opposite: cross over to the left sight upon encountering a left-hand bend, to cut a corner!

            GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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            Stefan_Lang wrote:

            Does anyone actually do that?

            Nah, of course not. Pedestrians seem to assume that drivers are blessed with X-Ray vision - and usually choose to wear dark clothing on the unlit country lanes with no pavement.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Not even slightly. Unless an auto is in Park it's effectively in neutral, and can roll back to hit the car behind. Since you are supposed to use your right foot to work the brake and throttle, you need the handbrake on to pull away. Don't blame me, a lot of serious grey men in serious grey suits nibbled biscuits and sipped tea really quietly for weeks while discussing (in committee of course) every nuance of those rules ...

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              A former colleague, from a former colony, first got his driving license in the UK. To turn a corner, he was taught to push and pull on the steering wheel. When he came to Canada and took his driver's test, he failed because of this. On this side of the pond, you're taught to turn using the hand-over-hand method.

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              • S super

                So basically due to injury in one of my legs, I have to reduce the strain on my legs for a few weeks. Driving is not the issue but when in city and waiting for signals, I have to keep my legs on the brake to prevent the car from going forward or backward (neutral gear) due to inclinations and I do not want to keep pressing on the brake. So What I do it using my hand brake to keep the car still. Whats is the downside of it ?

                cheers,

                Super

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                I do that at draw bridges - you can get quite old waiting for them to finally return travel to the land vehicles. Actually, I shut the engine off, altogether. Just something I've done in the past: since we've owned nothing but standard transmissions for many years, we (myself and Mrs. Wife) are quite used to driving with both feet. For a time, however, when we had the kids at home, etc., we needed a vehicle with bench seats and ended up with an automatic transmission. I trained myself to drive that with both feet instead of one doing all the work - in anticipation of returning to standard transmissions. This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  That's what you are supposed to do, unless you are born with three legs! :laugh: In the uk, it's a requirement as set out in the Highway Code:

                  the Offficial Highway Code[^]:

                  In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

                  Wow, Did not know it was supposed to be like this?

                  cheers,

                  Super

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                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                    The foot-controlled parking brake on our vehicle failed several years ago. Mind you, it's 13 years old. Edit: Quite possibly explained by its entire lifetime having been spent in places where roads are salted during winter.

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                    Cars should be serviced on a regular basis. If you have your car serviced at a proper garage, they will check the brakes and other safety equipment, and replace anything that looks like it is failing. This may be expensive in money, but the lives of my family are more than worth it!

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      About 5 or 10 years ago, I pulled up at the testing station for my MOT* pulled on the handbrake ... and the cable snapped. Also many naughty words ... * MOT is the compulsory annual vehicle check in the UK for all vehicles over three years old to ensure roadworthiness. It used to check you had tread on your tires, the lights worked, and your brakes were capable of stopping you - but it's been expanded to the point where you can fail for having a missing dust cap on your spare tire, or a dashboard light that doesn't come on or go off at the right time.

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      That sort of wearing doesn't happen overnight. How often did you (or the garage mechanics) check the cables to ensure that they weren't worn?

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                      • S super

                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

                        Wow, Did not know it was supposed to be like this?

                        cheers,

                        Super

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                        super wrote:

                        Did not know it was supposed to be like this?

                        It's not, but it is. :laugh:

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                        • S super

                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

                          Wow, Did not know it was supposed to be like this?

                          cheers,

                          Super

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                          If that blew your mind, wait until I tell you you're supposed to turn your fog lights off when cars are behind you too.

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                          • W W Balboos GHB

                            I do that at draw bridges - you can get quite old waiting for them to finally return travel to the land vehicles. Actually, I shut the engine off, altogether. Just something I've done in the past: since we've owned nothing but standard transmissions for many years, we (myself and Mrs. Wife) are quite used to driving with both feet. For a time, however, when we had the kids at home, etc., we needed a vehicle with bench seats and ended up with an automatic transmission. I trained myself to drive that with both feet instead of one doing all the work - in anticipation of returning to standard transmissions. This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?

                            Ravings en masse^

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                            The first time I hired a car in the UK, I was afraid the pedals would also be inverted. Fortunately, no. I thought shifting with my left hand might be difficult, but again no. The main problem was looking the wrong way when entering traffic, so I almost wore out my neck double- and even triple-checking. :-D

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                              That sort of wearing doesn't happen overnight. How often did you (or the garage mechanics) check the cables to ensure that they weren't worn?

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                              Me? Never - I don't fit under the car or have a lift / inspection pit. Mechanics? In theory, twice a year - once for the MOT test, and once when it's serviced. But ... it can be next to impossible to see corrosion if it's inside the outer Bowden cable cover - only the two exposed ends are "inspectable" without desoldering the nipple.

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                                OriginalGriff wrote:

                                In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again. Law RVLR reg 27

                                Wow, Did not know it was supposed to be like this?

                                cheers,

                                Super

                                ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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                                There are also rules on the use of headlamp flashers which are the exact inverse of what they are actually used for in the real world. In theory - and you have to know this and demonstrate that on your driving test - you only use the headlight flashers to warn other drivers of your presence. In practice you flash others to say "come on through, I'll wait until you are past", or "get out of my way, I'm faster than you" :laugh:

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                                  So basically due to injury in one of my legs, I have to reduce the strain on my legs for a few weeks. Driving is not the issue but when in city and waiting for signals, I have to keep my legs on the brake to prevent the car from going forward or backward (neutral gear) due to inclinations and I do not want to keep pressing on the brake. So What I do it using my hand brake to keep the car still. Whats is the downside of it ?

                                  cheers,

                                  Super

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                                  Claim disability and get a free new car with automatic handbrake... well, that's what we do in the UK :laugh: .

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                                    I do that at draw bridges - you can get quite old waiting for them to finally return travel to the land vehicles. Actually, I shut the engine off, altogether. Just something I've done in the past: since we've owned nothing but standard transmissions for many years, we (myself and Mrs. Wife) are quite used to driving with both feet. For a time, however, when we had the kids at home, etc., we needed a vehicle with bench seats and ended up with an automatic transmission. I trained myself to drive that with both feet instead of one doing all the work - in anticipation of returning to standard transmissions. This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?

                                    Ravings en masse^

                                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                    W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:

                                    This might work for you, depending upon which leg is angry with you. In US (and most of the civilized world), the accelerator and break pedal is operated with the right foot and the left foot either works the clutch pedal or does nothing. Maybe you can adapt to other-foot breaking?

                                    After foot/ankle surgery on he right leg, my Mom had an adapter fitted to her (automatic) car to let her operate the gas/brake with her left foot. It was a pain to un/reinstall, so when I needed to move it around the driveway once I tried operating the car with it still in place. It was a massive brain :elephant:, I didn't cause an accident but having to actively think about every operation instead of relying on muscle memory slowed my operation down to a crawl. Depending on how long you're on the disabled list, wrong foot driving might be worth considering; but find an empty parking lot to practice in for a while first and avoid any high traffic/etc areas until you're feeling confident in what you're doing.

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                                      Me? Never - I don't fit under the car or have a lift / inspection pit. Mechanics? In theory, twice a year - once for the MOT test, and once when it's serviced. But ... it can be next to impossible to see corrosion if it's inside the outer Bowden cable cover - only the two exposed ends are "inspectable" without desoldering the nipple.

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                                      desoldering the nipple.

                                      Sounds painful!

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                                        If that blew your mind, wait until I tell you you're supposed to turn your fog lights off when cars are behind you too.

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                                        In Germany I got stopped by the police because I hadn't turned off my fog lights once I got out of the fog.

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                                        • S super

                                          So basically due to injury in one of my legs, I have to reduce the strain on my legs for a few weeks. Driving is not the issue but when in city and waiting for signals, I have to keep my legs on the brake to prevent the car from going forward or backward (neutral gear) due to inclinations and I do not want to keep pressing on the brake. So What I do it using my hand brake to keep the car still. Whats is the downside of it ?

                                          cheers,

                                          Super

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                                          I do not know, in France we do not wait for signals.

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