It's been a long time coming ... but we are going back.
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I'm sorry to rain on both of our parades, but I don't believe that either the political or public will exists to support manned space travel, at least by the United States. That spirit died somewhere between the last of the Apollo missions and the end of William Proxmire's tenure in the U.S. Senate. Frankly an announcement like this so close to a presidential election strikes me as a tactic, one to be discarded as soon as the election is over, one way or another.
Software Zen:
delete this;The "I don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme was quite popular a while back. You may just find you'll need more than one rocket to get them all there :laugh: If we really can't find anyone we may assign some volunteers :rolleyes:
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
You mean back to the studio!? The moon landing was fake! We're ruled by lizards! Chemtrails make us docile! 5G spreads corona! And most importantly, Epstein didn't kill himself! (this one may actually be true, I don't know...) If they do manage to put people on the moon, perhaps those moon landing conspiracists will finally shut up. And if they make some pictures of the earth while they're there we may root out the flat-earthers as well. Only 8561348613487647821 more conspiracies left to go :laugh: Of course that's not how it goes and we'll get conspiracists saying the first was fake, but the second wasn't, people who'll say only the second was fake and people who'll say both are fake. Also, some flat-earthers may believe the earth "popped" into a round shape right the minute those astronauts took a picture. And there'll probably spawn a whole new breed of flat-mooners :sigh:
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
The chances of anything going to Mars Are a million to one, he said The chances of anything going to Mars Are a million to one, but still, they go
(With apologies to H.G. Wells, and to Jeff Wayne (The War of the Worlds musical))
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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James Lonero wrote:
a new branch of the military: the "Space Force"
The so-called "Space Force" is posturing, nothing more.
James Lonero wrote:
the private enterprises (SpaceX and a few others) are gearing up.
I sincerely hope they do.
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
The so-called "Space Force" is posturing, nothing more.
No, no, it's real. I saw it on Netflix a couple of months back. I assume it's a documentary. It certainly looked very realistic. ;) For anyone that hasn't seen it, check out the trailer. It's probably going to be the most entertaining 3 minutes you'll have for a while: Space Force | Official Trailer | Netflix - YouTube[^]
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You mean back to the studio!? The moon landing was fake! We're ruled by lizards! Chemtrails make us docile! 5G spreads corona! And most importantly, Epstein didn't kill himself! (this one may actually be true, I don't know...) If they do manage to put people on the moon, perhaps those moon landing conspiracists will finally shut up. And if they make some pictures of the earth while they're there we may root out the flat-earthers as well. Only 8561348613487647821 more conspiracies left to go :laugh: Of course that's not how it goes and we'll get conspiracists saying the first was fake, but the second wasn't, people who'll say only the second was fake and people who'll say both are fake. Also, some flat-earthers may believe the earth "popped" into a round shape right the minute those astronauts took a picture. And there'll probably spawn a whole new breed of flat-mooners :sigh:
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Migrating Applications to the Cloud with Azure arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Sander Rossel wrote:
perhaps those moon landing conspiracists will finally shut up
You cannot convince people refusing evidence with more evidence.
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At the rate we're destroying this planet we better hurry our colonization efforts.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
You're too cynical. If we continue destroying the planet at our current rate, and taking into account that most of these bad practices are positive feedback loops, we won't have to go to the barren surface of the moon at all. It will be here.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
"On 20 July 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the surface of the moon. In the months leading up to their expedition, the Apollo 11 astronauts trained in a remote moon-like desert in the western United States. The area is home to several Native American communities, and there is a story - or legend - describing an encounter between the astronauts and one of the locals. One day as they were training, the astronauts came across an old Native American. The man asked them what they were doing there. They replied that they were part of a research expedition that would shortly travel to the moon. When the old man heard that, he fell silent for a few moments, and then asked the astronauts if they could do him a favour. 'What do you want?' they asked. 'Well,' said the old man, 'the people of my tribe believe that holy spirits live on the moon. I was wondering if you could pass on a message to them from my people.' 'What's the message?' asked the astronauts. The man uttered something in his tribal language, and then asked the astronauts to repeat it again and again until they had memorized it correctly. 'What does it mean?' asked the astronauts. 'Oh, I cannot tell you. It's a secret that only our tribe and the moon spirits are allowed to know.' When they returned to their base, the astronauts searched and searched until they found someone who could speak the tribal language, and asked him to translate the secret message. When they repeated what they had memorized, the translator started to laugh uproariously. When he calmed down, the astronauts asked him what it meant. The man explained that the sentence they had memorized so carefully said, 'Don't believe a single word these people are telling you. They have come to steal your lands.'" --From the book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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"On 20 July 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the surface of the moon. In the months leading up to their expedition, the Apollo 11 astronauts trained in a remote moon-like desert in the western United States. The area is home to several Native American communities, and there is a story - or legend - describing an encounter between the astronauts and one of the locals. One day as they were training, the astronauts came across an old Native American. The man asked them what they were doing there. They replied that they were part of a research expedition that would shortly travel to the moon. When the old man heard that, he fell silent for a few moments, and then asked the astronauts if they could do him a favour. 'What do you want?' they asked. 'Well,' said the old man, 'the people of my tribe believe that holy spirits live on the moon. I was wondering if you could pass on a message to them from my people.' 'What's the message?' asked the astronauts. The man uttered something in his tribal language, and then asked the astronauts to repeat it again and again until they had memorized it correctly. 'What does it mean?' asked the astronauts. 'Oh, I cannot tell you. It's a secret that only our tribe and the moon spirits are allowed to know.' When they returned to their base, the astronauts searched and searched until they found someone who could speak the tribal language, and asked him to translate the secret message. When they repeated what they had memorized, the translator started to laugh uproariously. When he calmed down, the astronauts asked him what it meant. The man explained that the sentence they had memorized so carefully said, 'Don't believe a single word these people are telling you. They have come to steal your lands.'" --From the book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
wonderful, thank you
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Crosby Stills and Nash! "It's gonna be a long time gone"
Bill Simnel
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
2001: A Space Odyssey was released in 1968. back then the Moon base and all those orbital stations didn't seemed so much like a goddam fiction. given that humanity had 33 years to accomplish it. now, even going back from plastic to glass bottles seems like science fiction. besides, why waste taxpayers money on a mission to the Moon when you can waste it on "war against whatever"? Ariane 5, Payload to LEO: 20T, Payload to GTO: 10T, Cost per launch: US$165–220 million Proton-M, Payload to LEO: 23T, Payload to GTO: 6T, Payload to GSO: 3T, Cost per launch: US$65 million Falcon Heavy, Payload to LEO: 63T, Payload to GTO: 26T, Payload to Mars: 16T, Cost per launch: $150 million Long March 5, Payload to LEO: 25T, Payload to GTO: 14T, Payload to GSO: 6T, Cost per launch: ? Long March 3B, Payload to LEO: 11T, Payload to GTO: 5T, Payload to GSO: 3T, Cost per launch: $70 million B-2 Stealth Bomber, Payload to LEO: 0T, Payload to GTO: 0T, Unit average cost: $2100 million, No. built: 21 M1 Abrams battle tank, Payload to LEO: 0T, Payload to GTO: 0T, Unit average cost: $9 million, No. built: 10300
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
There is still a ton of the earth we have not discovered. Let's start discovering what we have before we decide to take off. :doh:
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I think SpaceX will be there before Artemis will be. Artemis is dependent on the Boeing/Lockheed ULA conglomerate that still hasn't gotten their latest launch off the ground using a "proven" Delta V rocket. In the meantime SpaceX has launched a manned mission to the ISS and nearly a dozen commercial launches.
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There is still a ton of the earth we have not discovered. Let's start discovering what we have before we decide to take off. :doh:
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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You wouldn't believe how furious it makes me that I have to make an observation like that. I'm of the opinion that Proxmire ought to be dug up, resurrected, and then publicly executed as a traitor not just to the United States, but to the entire human species. It's his fault that the momentum of the Apollo era wasn't maintained. He made it his goal to saddle NASA with management that was either outright opposed to their mission or incompetent to execute it.
Software Zen:
delete this;Sounds just like today down in the DC Swamp...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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So far, every single cent spent on space has been spent here on Earth. Microcomputer technology, pacemakers, hearing aids, Teflon (yup - byproduct of the Gemini program), and a lot more is a direct result of the US Space Program.
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At the rate we're destroying this planet we better hurry our colonization efforts.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
I laugh anytime I see people calling doomsday on planet earth. Do poeple who think we are destroying earth only live in highly dense cities? Most of the world is unoccupied, there is room to spare. In the US we call them Fly-Over states because there is nothing there and they are largest part of our country. We haven't even started trying to repair earth because it is not broken. There is no evidence it is dying, just warming. The world will change. It constantly changes. Temperatures and weather fluxuates, earthquakes happen, techtonic plates move, etc. We can now desalinize the ocean, but how many cities on the coast are actually doing this? Hardly any. We can pipe oil and gas around the world, but we haven't more than considered piping desalinized ocean water places. We haven't even tried to terraform. What would happen if we terraformed the Sahara desert into a lush green forest? How would that forest affect our atmosphere to have more forest. Lower our carbon ommissions is only part of it. Increasing the plant life is another part. Everything Nasa does will help us here on earth. The best part of trying to inhabit a planet such as the moon is we learn terraforming skills that we can apply to increase vegetation here on earth, thus lowering our carbon footprint. Imagine a 3d printer that is solar powered than can scoop silicates (dirt, sand, etc) from the ground and make an air-tight glass dome for places like the moon or mars. Imagine testing this in the Sahara and creating thousands of miles of glass domes to use a green houses to erase the desert and replace it with green life. We could create waterways to below sea-level zones, allowing ocean to flow in an out, such as the dead sea and death valley, which will add life, add moisture to the surrounding air and increase green life in those areas. What if we gain the technology to mine asteroids while trying to terraform the moon and mars, could we mine oxygen and other healthy air and return it to earth? The next two-hundred years is going to fun to be alive, to bad I'll only get about 50 more years of it.
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I laugh anytime I see people calling doomsday on planet earth. Do poeple who think we are destroying earth only live in highly dense cities? Most of the world is unoccupied, there is room to spare. In the US we call them Fly-Over states because there is nothing there and they are largest part of our country. We haven't even started trying to repair earth because it is not broken. There is no evidence it is dying, just warming. The world will change. It constantly changes. Temperatures and weather fluxuates, earthquakes happen, techtonic plates move, etc. We can now desalinize the ocean, but how many cities on the coast are actually doing this? Hardly any. We can pipe oil and gas around the world, but we haven't more than considered piping desalinized ocean water places. We haven't even tried to terraform. What would happen if we terraformed the Sahara desert into a lush green forest? How would that forest affect our atmosphere to have more forest. Lower our carbon ommissions is only part of it. Increasing the plant life is another part. Everything Nasa does will help us here on earth. The best part of trying to inhabit a planet such as the moon is we learn terraforming skills that we can apply to increase vegetation here on earth, thus lowering our carbon footprint. Imagine a 3d printer that is solar powered than can scoop silicates (dirt, sand, etc) from the ground and make an air-tight glass dome for places like the moon or mars. Imagine testing this in the Sahara and creating thousands of miles of glass domes to use a green houses to erase the desert and replace it with green life. We could create waterways to below sea-level zones, allowing ocean to flow in an out, such as the dead sea and death valley, which will add life, add moisture to the surrounding air and increase green life in those areas. What if we gain the technology to mine asteroids while trying to terraform the moon and mars, could we mine oxygen and other healthy air and return it to earth? The next two-hundred years is going to fun to be alive, to bad I'll only get about 50 more years of it.
How many garbage/plastic continents are there now? Last I heard about 5. Drinking water is going to become a big problem because farmers are using wells to water their crops. Gas and oil are finite, how long before they're depleted? I could go on but thats a pretty good start.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Yeah, sounds great. Totally not a political deflection from the worst position the US has been in for decades. I can't wait to watch the Trump Ship 1 take off from Trump Space Center, land at Trump Base, and set up Trump Colony to build the new Trump Tower. It will be the tallest building on the Trump Moon! Right next to the Putin Condominium Complex. I can totally Seig it coming. Thanks for taking one of the last places I peruse to dump some politics into.
"My software stacks are so old the frameworks have a termite problem." - Me, probably
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
We HAVE bases on the Moon AND Mars but it is not acknowledged in the media! It is also part of the reason for the new "Space Force". The military has had ENOUGH of the secrecy and wants to de-classify more of the 6,000+ classified patents on health, anti-gravity, "free" energy and more. Anti-gravity craft are perhaps the biggest secret of the last 100 or so years! I know what you might say. If they didn't land on the White House lawn, UFO's aren't real. About 200 generals and admirals are behind Trump to start revealing more this stuff as soon as the "swamp" gets cleaned up some more. However unfortunately the "deep state" still controls the 6 major media companies. The result? The media has already elected Biden and they cast Trump as the worst president ever! Biden is most always shown smiling and Trump is shown in some unfavorable news article as grumpy,angry,frowning etc about 98% of the time. When has this ever happened with any other president running for a 2nd term? Anyway, it may be one of the most historic, contested and drawn-out elections ever! ;)
rehopkins2
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We HAVE bases on the Moon AND Mars but it is not acknowledged in the media! It is also part of the reason for the new "Space Force". The military has had ENOUGH of the secrecy and wants to de-classify more of the 6,000+ classified patents on health, anti-gravity, "free" energy and more. Anti-gravity craft are perhaps the biggest secret of the last 100 or so years! I know what you might say. If they didn't land on the White House lawn, UFO's aren't real. About 200 generals and admirals are behind Trump to start revealing more this stuff as soon as the "swamp" gets cleaned up some more. However unfortunately the "deep state" still controls the 6 major media companies. The result? The media has already elected Biden and they cast Trump as the worst president ever! Biden is most always shown smiling and Trump is shown in some unfavorable news article as grumpy,angry,frowning etc about 98% of the time. When has this ever happened with any other president running for a 2nd term? Anyway, it may be one of the most historic, contested and drawn-out elections ever! ;)
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Be careful. You are either right on the edge of Rule 4, or a bit over it. That's not a good place to be ... if you want to keep your account open, anyway.
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