It's been a long time coming ... but we are going back.
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
"On 20 July 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the surface of the moon. In the months leading up to their expedition, the Apollo 11 astronauts trained in a remote moon-like desert in the western United States. The area is home to several Native American communities, and there is a story - or legend - describing an encounter between the astronauts and one of the locals. One day as they were training, the astronauts came across an old Native American. The man asked them what they were doing there. They replied that they were part of a research expedition that would shortly travel to the moon. When the old man heard that, he fell silent for a few moments, and then asked the astronauts if they could do him a favour. 'What do you want?' they asked. 'Well,' said the old man, 'the people of my tribe believe that holy spirits live on the moon. I was wondering if you could pass on a message to them from my people.' 'What's the message?' asked the astronauts. The man uttered something in his tribal language, and then asked the astronauts to repeat it again and again until they had memorized it correctly. 'What does it mean?' asked the astronauts. 'Oh, I cannot tell you. It's a secret that only our tribe and the moon spirits are allowed to know.' When they returned to their base, the astronauts searched and searched until they found someone who could speak the tribal language, and asked him to translate the secret message. When they repeated what they had memorized, the translator started to laugh uproariously. When he calmed down, the astronauts asked him what it meant. The man explained that the sentence they had memorized so carefully said, 'Don't believe a single word these people are telling you. They have come to steal your lands.'" --From the book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
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"On 20 July 1969, Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin landed on the surface of the moon. In the months leading up to their expedition, the Apollo 11 astronauts trained in a remote moon-like desert in the western United States. The area is home to several Native American communities, and there is a story - or legend - describing an encounter between the astronauts and one of the locals. One day as they were training, the astronauts came across an old Native American. The man asked them what they were doing there. They replied that they were part of a research expedition that would shortly travel to the moon. When the old man heard that, he fell silent for a few moments, and then asked the astronauts if they could do him a favour. 'What do you want?' they asked. 'Well,' said the old man, 'the people of my tribe believe that holy spirits live on the moon. I was wondering if you could pass on a message to them from my people.' 'What's the message?' asked the astronauts. The man uttered something in his tribal language, and then asked the astronauts to repeat it again and again until they had memorized it correctly. 'What does it mean?' asked the astronauts. 'Oh, I cannot tell you. It's a secret that only our tribe and the moon spirits are allowed to know.' When they returned to their base, the astronauts searched and searched until they found someone who could speak the tribal language, and asked him to translate the secret message. When they repeated what they had memorized, the translator started to laugh uproariously. When he calmed down, the astronauts asked him what it meant. The man explained that the sentence they had memorized so carefully said, 'Don't believe a single word these people are telling you. They have come to steal your lands.'" --From the book, "Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind" by Yuval Noah Harari
Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright "I'm addicted to placebos. I could quit, but it wouldn't matter." Steven Wright yet again.
wonderful, thank you
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Crosby Stills and Nash! "It's gonna be a long time gone"
Bill Simnel
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
2001: A Space Odyssey was released in 1968. back then the Moon base and all those orbital stations didn't seemed so much like a goddam fiction. given that humanity had 33 years to accomplish it. now, even going back from plastic to glass bottles seems like science fiction. besides, why waste taxpayers money on a mission to the Moon when you can waste it on "war against whatever"? Ariane 5, Payload to LEO: 20T, Payload to GTO: 10T, Cost per launch: US$165–220 million Proton-M, Payload to LEO: 23T, Payload to GTO: 6T, Payload to GSO: 3T, Cost per launch: US$65 million Falcon Heavy, Payload to LEO: 63T, Payload to GTO: 26T, Payload to Mars: 16T, Cost per launch: $150 million Long March 5, Payload to LEO: 25T, Payload to GTO: 14T, Payload to GSO: 6T, Cost per launch: ? Long March 3B, Payload to LEO: 11T, Payload to GTO: 5T, Payload to GSO: 3T, Cost per launch: $70 million B-2 Stealth Bomber, Payload to LEO: 0T, Payload to GTO: 0T, Unit average cost: $2100 million, No. built: 21 M1 Abrams battle tank, Payload to LEO: 0T, Payload to GTO: 0T, Unit average cost: $9 million, No. built: 10300
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
There is still a ton of the earth we have not discovered. Let's start discovering what we have before we decide to take off. :doh:
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I think SpaceX will be there before Artemis will be. Artemis is dependent on the Boeing/Lockheed ULA conglomerate that still hasn't gotten their latest launch off the ground using a "proven" Delta V rocket. In the meantime SpaceX has launched a manned mission to the ISS and nearly a dozen commercial launches.
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There is still a ton of the earth we have not discovered. Let's start discovering what we have before we decide to take off. :doh:
Social Media - A platform that makes it easier for the crazies to find each other. Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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You wouldn't believe how furious it makes me that I have to make an observation like that. I'm of the opinion that Proxmire ought to be dug up, resurrected, and then publicly executed as a traitor not just to the United States, but to the entire human species. It's his fault that the momentum of the Apollo era wasn't maintained. He made it his goal to saddle NASA with management that was either outright opposed to their mission or incompetent to execute it.
Software Zen:
delete this;Sounds just like today down in the DC Swamp...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
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So far, every single cent spent on space has been spent here on Earth. Microcomputer technology, pacemakers, hearing aids, Teflon (yup - byproduct of the Gemini program), and a lot more is a direct result of the US Space Program.
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At the rate we're destroying this planet we better hurry our colonization efforts.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
I laugh anytime I see people calling doomsday on planet earth. Do poeple who think we are destroying earth only live in highly dense cities? Most of the world is unoccupied, there is room to spare. In the US we call them Fly-Over states because there is nothing there and they are largest part of our country. We haven't even started trying to repair earth because it is not broken. There is no evidence it is dying, just warming. The world will change. It constantly changes. Temperatures and weather fluxuates, earthquakes happen, techtonic plates move, etc. We can now desalinize the ocean, but how many cities on the coast are actually doing this? Hardly any. We can pipe oil and gas around the world, but we haven't more than considered piping desalinized ocean water places. We haven't even tried to terraform. What would happen if we terraformed the Sahara desert into a lush green forest? How would that forest affect our atmosphere to have more forest. Lower our carbon ommissions is only part of it. Increasing the plant life is another part. Everything Nasa does will help us here on earth. The best part of trying to inhabit a planet such as the moon is we learn terraforming skills that we can apply to increase vegetation here on earth, thus lowering our carbon footprint. Imagine a 3d printer that is solar powered than can scoop silicates (dirt, sand, etc) from the ground and make an air-tight glass dome for places like the moon or mars. Imagine testing this in the Sahara and creating thousands of miles of glass domes to use a green houses to erase the desert and replace it with green life. We could create waterways to below sea-level zones, allowing ocean to flow in an out, such as the dead sea and death valley, which will add life, add moisture to the surrounding air and increase green life in those areas. What if we gain the technology to mine asteroids while trying to terraform the moon and mars, could we mine oxygen and other healthy air and return it to earth? The next two-hundred years is going to fun to be alive, to bad I'll only get about 50 more years of it.
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I laugh anytime I see people calling doomsday on planet earth. Do poeple who think we are destroying earth only live in highly dense cities? Most of the world is unoccupied, there is room to spare. In the US we call them Fly-Over states because there is nothing there and they are largest part of our country. We haven't even started trying to repair earth because it is not broken. There is no evidence it is dying, just warming. The world will change. It constantly changes. Temperatures and weather fluxuates, earthquakes happen, techtonic plates move, etc. We can now desalinize the ocean, but how many cities on the coast are actually doing this? Hardly any. We can pipe oil and gas around the world, but we haven't more than considered piping desalinized ocean water places. We haven't even tried to terraform. What would happen if we terraformed the Sahara desert into a lush green forest? How would that forest affect our atmosphere to have more forest. Lower our carbon ommissions is only part of it. Increasing the plant life is another part. Everything Nasa does will help us here on earth. The best part of trying to inhabit a planet such as the moon is we learn terraforming skills that we can apply to increase vegetation here on earth, thus lowering our carbon footprint. Imagine a 3d printer that is solar powered than can scoop silicates (dirt, sand, etc) from the ground and make an air-tight glass dome for places like the moon or mars. Imagine testing this in the Sahara and creating thousands of miles of glass domes to use a green houses to erase the desert and replace it with green life. We could create waterways to below sea-level zones, allowing ocean to flow in an out, such as the dead sea and death valley, which will add life, add moisture to the surrounding air and increase green life in those areas. What if we gain the technology to mine asteroids while trying to terraform the moon and mars, could we mine oxygen and other healthy air and return it to earth? The next two-hundred years is going to fun to be alive, to bad I'll only get about 50 more years of it.
How many garbage/plastic continents are there now? Last I heard about 5. Drinking water is going to become a big problem because farmers are using wells to water their crops. Gas and oil are finite, how long before they're depleted? I could go on but thats a pretty good start.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Yeah, sounds great. Totally not a political deflection from the worst position the US has been in for decades. I can't wait to watch the Trump Ship 1 take off from Trump Space Center, land at Trump Base, and set up Trump Colony to build the new Trump Tower. It will be the tallest building on the Trump Moon! Right next to the Putin Condominium Complex. I can totally Seig it coming. Thanks for taking one of the last places I peruse to dump some politics into.
"My software stacks are so old the frameworks have a termite problem." - Me, probably
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
We HAVE bases on the Moon AND Mars but it is not acknowledged in the media! It is also part of the reason for the new "Space Force". The military has had ENOUGH of the secrecy and wants to de-classify more of the 6,000+ classified patents on health, anti-gravity, "free" energy and more. Anti-gravity craft are perhaps the biggest secret of the last 100 or so years! I know what you might say. If they didn't land on the White House lawn, UFO's aren't real. About 200 generals and admirals are behind Trump to start revealing more this stuff as soon as the "swamp" gets cleaned up some more. However unfortunately the "deep state" still controls the 6 major media companies. The result? The media has already elected Biden and they cast Trump as the worst president ever! Biden is most always shown smiling and Trump is shown in some unfavorable news article as grumpy,angry,frowning etc about 98% of the time. When has this ever happened with any other president running for a 2nd term? Anyway, it may be one of the most historic, contested and drawn-out elections ever! ;)
rehopkins2
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We HAVE bases on the Moon AND Mars but it is not acknowledged in the media! It is also part of the reason for the new "Space Force". The military has had ENOUGH of the secrecy and wants to de-classify more of the 6,000+ classified patents on health, anti-gravity, "free" energy and more. Anti-gravity craft are perhaps the biggest secret of the last 100 or so years! I know what you might say. If they didn't land on the White House lawn, UFO's aren't real. About 200 generals and admirals are behind Trump to start revealing more this stuff as soon as the "swamp" gets cleaned up some more. However unfortunately the "deep state" still controls the 6 major media companies. The result? The media has already elected Biden and they cast Trump as the worst president ever! Biden is most always shown smiling and Trump is shown in some unfavorable news article as grumpy,angry,frowning etc about 98% of the time. When has this ever happened with any other president running for a 2nd term? Anyway, it may be one of the most historic, contested and drawn-out elections ever! ;)
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Be careful. You are either right on the edge of Rule 4, or a bit over it. That's not a good place to be ... if you want to keep your account open, anyway.
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"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Sounds just like today down in the DC Swamp...
Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com
Steve Naidamast wrote:
DC Swamp...
Sewer
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Nearly fifty years ago Apollo 17 was the last manned mission to the moon. Now NASA Artemis[^] is going back, aiming to land a crew in 2024. Thank :elephant: for that: we should have moon bases and a colony on Mars by now!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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How many garbage/plastic continents are there now? Last I heard about 5. Drinking water is going to become a big problem because farmers are using wells to water their crops. Gas and oil are finite, how long before they're depleted? I could go on but thats a pretty good start.
I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com
Won't be hard to take care of the plastic soon. [Plastic Eating bacteria](https://www.sciencealert.com/new-plastic-munching-bacteria-could-fuel-a-recycling-revolution) And I already covered water. There is plenty of that and always will be. Desalinization. Terraforming, creating a pipe or waterway flow to the Dead Sea and Death Valley and other below-sea-level areas. If we piped into Death Valley and back out, we could have a mini-ocean, as big as the Great Salt Lake. The air from the west rises over the Sierra Nevadas and drops all its humidity, and dry air travels over western California, Nevada, Utah, etc. That is why it is a desert. The air is dry and sucks up all the water. With Death Valley filled with water, that dry air would absorb water, and the entire Nevada and Utah deserts would begin to thrive. The rainfall and snowfall would increase in the Rocky Mountains, filling the lakes, rivers, reservoirs, etc. Creating more water for the entire South West with only the effort to build two pipes. More vegetation would grow in the area, which would aid in oxygen. Before we start declaring doomsday, we should have at least tried a few things first. Let wait to declare doomsday until all the coastal cities have desalinization plants and still lack water. As for now, other than building reservoirs, and dabbling in desalinization, what have we tried?
