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  • 5 5teveH

    Surely it makes best use of their core strengths. MS have never really cracked the nuts and bolts of an OS and there has never been mass acceptance of Linux on the desktop. And before anyone jumps down my throat - I have been on Kubuntu for circa 10 years. Why not copy the MacOS model? They've done OK. :)

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    dandy72
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    5teveH wrote:

    Why not copy the MacOS model? They've done OK

    Because Apple controls both the hardware and the software, and maintains a tight grip on the walled garden. I'm not sure I want to see that model extended to other systems.

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    • J Jorgen Andersson

      raddevus wrote:

      I have not missed the painful update cycle at all

      Is it just me that never has those problems? Maybe because I always shut my computer before going home.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello Never stop dreaming - Freddie Kruger

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      Rick York
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      One of the absolutely stupidest things they do is they will start up a laptop with the lid closed and have it update itself and then stay on, even with the lid closed. Apparently the idiotic morons in Redmond think that is acceptable. IT IS NOT! Stupid stuff like this makes me seriously question whether they know a damned thing about computers. That behavior indicates clearly they do not.

      "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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      • 5 5teveH

        Surely it makes best use of their core strengths. MS have never really cracked the nuts and bolts of an OS and there has never been mass acceptance of Linux on the desktop. And before anyone jumps down my throat - I have been on Kubuntu for circa 10 years. Why not copy the MacOS model? They've done OK. :)

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        Rick York
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        I really miss the downvote option because that is total nonsense.

        "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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        • 5 5teveH

          Surely it makes best use of their core strengths. MS have never really cracked the nuts and bolts of an OS and there has never been mass acceptance of Linux on the desktop. And before anyone jumps down my throat - I have been on Kubuntu for circa 10 years. Why not copy the MacOS model? They've done OK. :)

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          honey the codewitch
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          Linux does okay if you ignore the fact that things like updates on an LTS release of Ubuntu hose grub causing the machine to fail to boot. Or random updates make certain features stop working. Etc. Pretty much ignore all the same things I hate about windows, but also it can't run anything I find important like Visual Studio

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            Windows to become emulation layer on top of Linux... It already is for me: I run Ubuntu 18.04 exclusively and simply Remmina (RDP) to Windows OS only when I have to. MS Teams runs natively on Ubuntu as does VS Code. I have not missed the painful update cycle at all. Just hope no one screws up Linux. :laugh:

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            honey the codewitch
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            Am I the only one that has a problem with that version of Ubuntu hosing GRUB on updates causing the machine to fail to boot? This happens to me on every machine I've installed it on in the past 2 years, and the forums say NOTHING. I can work around it - *every time* GRUB is updated I go back in and hand patch my boot record.

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              I really miss the downvote option because that is total nonsense.

              "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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              5teveH
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              Rick York wrote:

              I really miss the downvote option

              I guess they removed it to try to encourage debate, rather than simple disagreement. Obviously there's still no guarantee that, that will be achieved. Amen! :confused:

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              • H honey the codewitch

                Linux does okay if you ignore the fact that things like updates on an LTS release of Ubuntu hose grub causing the machine to fail to boot. Or random updates make certain features stop working. Etc. Pretty much ignore all the same things I hate about windows, but also it can't run anything I find important like Visual Studio

                Real programmers use butterflies

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                Scott Serl
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                The only time I had an issue with Ubuntu was the one time I tried to upgrade from one LTS release to the next. Otherwise, I have had zero issues with about 6 machines I've had on Ubuntu since 2007. Your issues with grub may be due to the developers not correctly dealing with dual boot systems? Don't know.

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  Am I the only one that has a problem with that version of Ubuntu hosing GRUB on updates causing the machine to fail to boot? This happens to me on every machine I've installed it on in the past 2 years, and the forums say NOTHING. I can work around it - *every time* GRUB is updated I go back in and hand patch my boot record.

                  Real programmers use butterflies

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                  theoldfool
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                  Not seen that here. Running Mint and moving to LMDE (maybe they are setting up to move away from Ubuntu?). Run some Windows VM's for software maintenance. I think, but can't prove, that those VM's do better running under Linux.

                  If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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                    Not seen that here. Running Mint and moving to LMDE (maybe they are setting up to move away from Ubuntu?). Run some Windows VM's for software maintenance. I think, but can't prove, that those VM's do better running under Linux.

                    If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    I'm considering moving to Mint. I picked Ubuntu because of the huge user base (makes it easier to find solutions to problems with it) but in the end it has left me very disappointed. I'd rather run Win7 as my VM host because it just works.

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                      The only time I had an issue with Ubuntu was the one time I tried to upgrade from one LTS release to the next. Otherwise, I have had zero issues with about 6 machines I've had on Ubuntu since 2007. Your issues with grub may be due to the developers not correctly dealing with dual boot systems? Don't know.

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      I don't have any dual boot. It seems to be getting confused by UEFI but I can't tell for sure.

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                      • R raddevus

                        Windows to become emulation layer on top of Linux... It already is for me: I run Ubuntu 18.04 exclusively and simply Remmina (RDP) to Windows OS only when I have to. MS Teams runs natively on Ubuntu as does VS Code. I have not missed the painful update cycle at all. Just hope no one screws up Linux. :laugh:

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                        Nelek
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                        raddevus wrote:

                        Just hope no one screws up Linux.

                        I would not put my hand above fire on this one...

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        • H honey the codewitch

                          Windows to become emulation layer atop Linux kernel, predicts Eric Raymond • The Register[^] Seen in CP Daily News. Eric Raymond, troll level: expert

                          Real programmers use butterflies

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                          I will answer your question with a question. Where can I buy mushroom spores online

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                          • R Rick York

                            One of the absolutely stupidest things they do is they will start up a laptop with the lid closed and have it update itself and then stay on, even with the lid closed. Apparently the idiotic morons in Redmond think that is acceptable. IT IS NOT! Stupid stuff like this makes me seriously question whether they know a damned thing about computers. That behavior indicates clearly they do not.

                            "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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                            enhzflep
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                            11 months and counting since they tried an update with the lid closed and running on batteries and I chucked the SSD holding the POS that is Lose10 into a drawer. I bought the last laptop to avoid Lose8 and still its HDD lives on in this one.. You don't suck Microsoft. At all.

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                            • H honey the codewitch

                              Am I the only one that has a problem with that version of Ubuntu hosing GRUB on updates causing the machine to fail to boot? This happens to me on every machine I've installed it on in the past 2 years, and the forums say NOTHING. I can work around it - *every time* GRUB is updated I go back in and hand patch my boot record.

                              Real programmers use butterflies

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                              raddevus
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                              Is it 18.04? I’m running it on a laptop & desktop with no problems with GRUB. There was an issue but they recently patched it.

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                              • H honey the codewitch

                                Am I the only one that has a problem with that version of Ubuntu hosing GRUB on updates causing the machine to fail to boot? This happens to me on every machine I've installed it on in the past 2 years, and the forums say NOTHING. I can work around it - *every time* GRUB is updated I go back in and hand patch my boot record.

                                Real programmers use butterflies

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                                raddevus
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                                Check out the updates I saw today when I booted up my main Ubuntu 18.04 box... https://i.stack.imgur.com/hoQ5Q.png[^] There have been a lot of updates to the boot loader recently (due to some problems).

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                                • R raddevus

                                  Is it 18.04? I’m running it on a laptop & desktop with no problems with GRUB. There was an issue but they recently patched it.

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                                  honey the codewitch
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                                  Yes 18.04 - I've been avoiding updates on my machine because I got tired of manually patching after every update. Probably the fix is in one of those. The problem is if it doesn't work. I need to go find a USB stick i'm not using and put linux on it in case it hoses my boot record again. I'll get around to it. Thanks for letting me know they may have fixed it.

                                  Real programmers use butterflies

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