Will Bubble put a lot of web programmers out of work?
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I think it depends on the contexts of the systems these sort of no-code environments are meant to replace. A lot of companies with in-house software have had the web applications designed in a way that's very specific and integrated into business requirements, and a lot of the no-code alternatives simply don't have support for a lot of the back-end logistics. I work for a company specialising in fuel cards, and the in-house software we develop (a web application) is enormous, but specifically we integrate with APIs for different fuel card providers (Shell, BP, etc.) which are enormously complex and simply couldn't be accomplished with a no-code system. Our business looked at replacing our software with several generic CRM packages, but each time they realised that the compatibility and complexity just wasn't there. Unless these no-code environments can provide hugely customisable and complex operations, I don't think there'll be much cause for concern for developers in companies with established systems. It's probably cheaper to maintain the existing systems and have developers augment them than to purchase a whole new system, build it from the ground-up and then have new systems developed which implement the missing features, as well as training staff on how to use and build the no-code platform.
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I think it depends on the contexts of the systems these sort of no-code environments are meant to replace. A lot of companies with in-house software have had the web applications designed in a way that's very specific and integrated into business requirements, and a lot of the no-code alternatives simply don't have support for a lot of the back-end logistics. I work for a company specialising in fuel cards, and the in-house software we develop (a web application) is enormous, but specifically we integrate with APIs for different fuel card providers (Shell, BP, etc.) which are enormously complex and simply couldn't be accomplished with a no-code system. Our business looked at replacing our software with several generic CRM packages, but each time they realised that the compatibility and complexity just wasn't there. Unless these no-code environments can provide hugely customisable and complex operations, I don't think there'll be much cause for concern for developers in companies with established systems. It's probably cheaper to maintain the existing systems and have developers augment them than to purchase a whole new system, build it from the ground-up and then have new systems developed which implement the missing features, as well as training staff on how to use and build the no-code platform.
Chris Copeland wrote:
A lot of companies with in-house software have had the web applications designed in a way that's very specific and integrated into business requirements
Chris Copeland wrote:
can provide hugely customisable and complex operations,
Exactly.
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First, it's yahoo finance. Second, no. As others have pointed out, there is still the fundamental foundation of what drives these engines. About 25-30 years ago, I was doing X Windows development. I had some exposure to a Windows program, and I was simply appalled at how you handled event handling. Along that time, Power Builder came along, and I was impressed with how easy it was to build applications. The improvement in productivity was noticable, and when I voiced my concerns about getting put out of business, the tech laughed and said: "We've found that when you use a tool like this, the users want more and more. Your work load will go up." Truth. I see low code and no code environments affecting some applications. But nothing earth shattering.
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Real men fly helicopters. Much more fun to fly and lots of useful capabilities when you are in an area without much infrastructure, like runways. If those things would not cost so much to operate...
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
My son flies a Twin Otter in Northwest Territories, Canada. That thing can land on water, tundra, snow/ice and runways - and gets far better distance than a helicopter ever could. He loves his job!
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COBOL jobs are on the decline!? The sky must be falling. Only, no. Some COBOL salaries are outrageous now because even though there are few jobs, there are even fewer folks to fill them. Want to take your legacy system to the cloud? Good luck on your hunt for a COBOL + cloud guy. Maybe you can just use Bubble. No. No, programming jobs won't be disappearing, they won't be doing anything but growing both in number and scope for the next 20-50 years. Erik Brynjolfsson hit the nail far more squarely on the head. The specifics of what problem you solve with the code you write? Sure. That will change, even regardless of no-code/low-code. But you think no-code/low-code will supplant the need for developers? Want to buy a bridge? Lol.
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CodeWraith wrote:
Real men fly helicopters
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That's another option, but I know myself. I would get bored very quickly.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Here's the kicker not generally considered: People, like us, here (in the CP Lounge, of course) see these as more or less template driven websites (don't we already have that?) and there certainly seems to be a threat. Except for one small thing: And that small thing is the aptitude of these people to even thing about doing anything in the least bit technical. Damn - they have a hard to doing arithmetic. If there sites' to be more than a personal FauxBook then they'll need connectivity and such. Knowing what to store. Knowing what to retrieve. Etc etc etc. My experience has found most people dumb as stick when it comes to doing anything beyond fondling their cell phones and calling themselves tech-savvy. Boilerplate websites are already readily available and free - they don't concern me in the least. The only business I'd suspect will be lost is that craved by those hacks, slightly higher on the food chain, who had been their 'contractor' for website building.
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It is even better. They are not stupid but a lot of people don't care. They just want a website, they don't want to know the details. That is why loads of companies and "influencers" have FB page or profile. Then one step up and there is already market for people maintaining FB/Social media profiles. There is a lot of business owners who for example don't want to fill in their profile to get insurances, bank accounts, they just want to call someone at the bank and 'have it done!'. I believe there will be even more work for developers because of low code platforms. Keep in mind all custom integrations that still will be needed just because low code platform flavor of the month won't support something they need. Take into account all the IoT, industrial automation and tooling to keep it all running, no single low code platform will able to support everything. There you need developers to pump data from one low code platform to the other and to some devices and what not... I just have seen to much weird stuff and I know what is the cost to support things and integrations. Last one - look at tech gigants they hire loads of devs and if they could build low code platform for themselves they would already do that. What are they doing? They are creating frameworks and libraries for devs. If low code would be such a great business, FAANG would buy low code companies left and right. In my opinon low code is maintenance/support nightmare that does not scale and that is why it is better to provide developer tools and infrastructure.
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Meh, many technologies have been and gone, the world is swamped with crappy systems built by people without an IT background, and yet here I still am... I've even used a couple of these "anyone can build" systems to deliver basic systems to customers and whilst for the most basic of IO, these where fine, it still took something extra to turn it into something really good. There will always be a place for a highly skilled software developer, who knows the underlying systems inside and out. There will always be the person who either does not have the time or can not work out WYSIWYG system builders and so will hire someone to build it for them. I simply see this as a change in the tools, not the people. I means once upon a time, we coded websites in notepad, and things like dreamweaver was going to be the death of the web developer.