Microsoft, are you Ctrl-F Crazy?
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I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
Ctrl-F is usually standard for find Ctrl-H is usually standard for find and replace. Visual Studio for example, has been this way forever. If anything, MS should be doing the above in word.
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Apparently that was something directly to do with Bill Gates The story behind Microsoft Outlook's terrible CTRL + F shortcut | Computerworld[^]
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Slacker007 wrote:
It shows all instances of your search word/phrase, without having to scroll through a 40 page document. I like it!
Thanks for the explanation of that. I was totally confused about it. Also, it's good to hear an alternative viewpoint. I'm just so shocked that CTRL-F is replaced. It's confusing to an old guy like me. :)
raddevus wrote:
It's confusing to an old guy like me.
Too be honest, it was confusing to me at first as well. Company pushed out the latest version of office and a lot had changed with little to no warning. Frustrating, I know. I just try to roll with the punches. Also, I am almost 50 myself, so not a spring chicken anymore.
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I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
Wait 'til you swap languages. Mappings for shortcut keys will change. If I do Ctrl-f I'll get Bold text. But best of all, formulas in Excel are translated. If I create an excel sheet in Swedish with formulas in it, I can't send it to you and expect it to work. <edit>Actually, it seems like I can. Question: Has it changed or was it always like that? </edit>
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raddevus wrote:
I'm not sure what the even does
In MS Word: It shows all instances of your search word/phrase, without having to scroll through a 40 page document. I like it! Never really had to perform replace in MS Word before, so no comment there.
Except in an Outlook email, where it's a shortcut for forwarding. :mad: EDIT: I should have read the next post! But I still want to vent my :mad:! :laugh:
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Apparently that was something directly to do with Bill Gates The story behind Microsoft Outlook's terrible CTRL + F shortcut | Computerworld[^]
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Figures that a savant would have something to do with it.
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Well, no one uses Ctrl-H to backspace anymore, becuase because we always type perfectly. Since it is now available...
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They're just mimicking Eclipse, which uses CTRL-H for it's search.
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What, because H(unt makes more sense?
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Wait 'til you swap languages. Mappings for shortcut keys will change. If I do Ctrl-f I'll get Bold text. But best of all, formulas in Excel are translated. If I create an excel sheet in Swedish with formulas in it, I can't send it to you and expect it to work. <edit>Actually, it seems like I can. Question: Has it changed or was it always like that? </edit>
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I can't send it to you and expect it to work
I am not entirely sure that's true: Excel files open with german function names on a german system and french function names on a french system. The very same excel files. I never really understood the need of translating the function though...
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Wait 'til you swap languages. Mappings for shortcut keys will change. If I do Ctrl-f I'll get Bold text. But best of all, formulas in Excel are translated. If I create an excel sheet in Swedish with formulas in it, I can't send it to you and expect it to work. <edit>Actually, it seems like I can. Question: Has it changed or was it always like that? </edit>
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
If I do Ctrl-f I'll get Bold text. But best of all, formulas in Excel are translated. If I create an excel sheet in Swedish with formulas in it, I can't send it to you and expect it to work.
That really isn't great. Never thought of that before.
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raddevus wrote:
It's confusing to an old guy like me.
Too be honest, it was confusing to me at first as well. Company pushed out the latest version of office and a lot had changed with little to no warning. Frustrating, I know. I just try to roll with the punches. Also, I am almost 50 myself, so not a spring chicken anymore.
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I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
For me CTRL+H has been replace for a long time. PSPad, Notepad++ and other thrid products had it too. And the "Replace" contains the "Find next" since ages too. Please not that I am not defending MS at all. As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine
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I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
I quite like the Navigation feature - it's kinda like Search-on-steroids when you are used to it. It shows all the instances in a single place, so you don't have to lose where you are in a big document just to check something matches, or has been said already for example.
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I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
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For me CTRL+H has been replace for a long time. PSPad, Notepad++ and other thrid products had it too. And the "Replace" contains the "Find next" since ages too. Please not that I am not defending MS at all. As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Please not that I am not defending MS at all.
It's fine I"m not anti-Microsoft anyways. I don't mind if anyone wants to defend them. I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now. After all these years. :sigh:
Nelek wrote:
As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine
Maybe you are being funny. I'm not sure. But from what I can tell MS-Word does not support F3 as the find next either. Also, CTRL-H being the find replace is fine it's just that I used to get to it by doing CTRL-F and then altering the dialog box. Now CTRL-F seems to do nothing and I just don't understand that.
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Nelek wrote:
Please not that I am not defending MS at all.
It's fine I"m not anti-Microsoft anyways. I don't mind if anyone wants to defend them. I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now. After all these years. :sigh:
Nelek wrote:
As long as they don't change the F3" as the Search next... I am fine
Maybe you are being funny. I'm not sure. But from what I can tell MS-Word does not support F3 as the find next either. Also, CTRL-H being the find replace is fine it's just that I used to get to it by doing CTRL-F and then altering the dialog box. Now CTRL-F seems to do nothing and I just don't understand that.
raddevus wrote:
I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now
Still works as
Findfor me... but then I still use Word2003 :-D :laugh: :laugh: Mind you, when I need to FIND in anything my first instinct is to hitF3... but that's a carry-over from IBM mainframe terminals, running ISPF / CICS / ADS-O etc... (F3seemed at the time to be a truly global standard; that andF1for help) -
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
I can't send it to you and expect it to work
I am not entirely sure that's true: Excel files open with german function names on a german system and french function names on a french system. The very same excel files. I never really understood the need of translating the function though...
I have a multi language version installed, so I had to test it and you're right. But I have memories of when it didn't work. Wonder when that changed. Or am I possibly more senile than I thought. :doh:
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raddevus wrote:
I just can't believe CTRL-F effectively does nothing now
Still works as
Findfor me... but then I still use Word2003 :-D :laugh: :laugh: Mind you, when I need to FIND in anything my first instinct is to hitF3... but that's a carry-over from IBM mainframe terminals, running ISPF / CICS / ADS-O etc... (F3seemed at the time to be a truly global standard; that andF1for help) -
I've been using Microsoft Word since at least 1995. I was just attempting to do a Search / Replace and I (of course) hit Ctrl-F (find). Of course, Microsoft in there infinite wisdom has changed that to show some Navigate option thing which is useless (see this snapshot[^]). I'm not sure what the even does. Navigate on a word? What kind of garbage is that? Useless. Search / Replace: Nowhere To Be Found Where is search or search replace? Ctrl-F means FIND in almost every editor known to humans. :wtf: I literally couldn't find it on the Ribbon Bar, in the menus...nowhere. I finally had to search the web to find out how to search / replace[^]. They changed it to CTRL-H -- After 30 years of CTRL-F!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: CTRL-H ??? CTRL-H!!! You Freaking Monsters Changed it to CTRL-H!!! I'm done!!
Ctrl + H is find and replace as far as I know...
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It's worse than that. Yeah, Ctrl + F is for Forward but only if you are just reading a mail. If you are replying to it (so in edit mode) then Ctrl + F is Find. :|
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