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Will Microsoft Power Platform really make it possible for anyone to be a developer?

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  • S swampwiz

    Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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    Nelek
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    Mandatory: The 'no-code' dream… | CommitStrip[^]

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    • S swampwiz

      Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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      Marc Clifton
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      All that'll happen is that the term "developer" will change to mean someone that actually writes real code (granted, "real code" is a poorly chosen phrase, but I'm still waiting for the caffeine to kick in and I can't think of a better phrase, but I think you get the point.) Basically, "developer" will fragment into "low code developers", for which there probably will be some niche in the marketplace, and "the rest of us", that do real things, including developing "low code" applications. As to "make it possible for anyone to be a developer?", um, no, because all these low code solutions work within the parameters of what you can do with the platform, and while some may be sophisticated, there will always be limitations. So if that "anyone" wants to do something special that the platform doesn't support, well, that's when they learn: I AM NOT A DEVELOPER!!! :laugh:

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        Mandatory: The 'no-code' dream… | CommitStrip[^]

        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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        honey the codewitch
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        It still seems useful for making mocks.

        Real programmers use butterflies

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        • S swampwiz

          Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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          A better way to create crap apps.

          I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com

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          • S swampwiz

            Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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            Lost User
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            You can have the best kitchen, the best appliances, and great ingredients, and still come out with a crappy meal.

            It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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            • S swampwiz

              Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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              The situation, as I see it, is this:

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              A developer (or team) has a lot of tasks to complete, but most of them are quite easy. There are some difficult tasks, but they are few. (Your mileage may vary.) Tools such as described, and ETL packages and such, address only the easiest tasks. But developers don't need help with those, we need help with the difficult tasks. Whenever a vendor announces, "we have a tool which will solve all your problems", you can be assured that it actually addresses only the "low-hanging fruit" -- and no one needs help with "low-hanging fruit", that's the definition of "low-hanging fruit"! At best, such systems can allow a team to expend less time/energy on easy tasks and concentrate on the difficult ones. And/or allow an enterprise to hire low-paid contractors to deal with the "low-hanging fruit" in a way that the "real" developers can understand and support once the contractors have left. However, no tool will "do everything".

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                The situation, as I see it, is this:

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                A developer (or team) has a lot of tasks to complete, but most of them are quite easy. There are some difficult tasks, but they are few. (Your mileage may vary.) Tools such as described, and ETL packages and such, address only the easiest tasks. But developers don't need help with those, we need help with the difficult tasks. Whenever a vendor announces, "we have a tool which will solve all your problems", you can be assured that it actually addresses only the "low-hanging fruit" -- and no one needs help with "low-hanging fruit", that's the definition of "low-hanging fruit"! At best, such systems can allow a team to expend less time/energy on easy tasks and concentrate on the difficult ones. And/or allow an enterprise to hire low-paid contractors to deal with the "low-hanging fruit" in a way that the "real" developers can understand and support once the contractors have left. However, no tool will "do everything".

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                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                However, no tool will "do everything".

                And if it ever gets to do it... we will probably have other bigger problems to worry about

                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                • M Mike Hankey

                  A better way to create crap apps.

                  I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com

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                  Marc Clifton
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                  Mike Hankey wrote:

                  A better way to create crap apps crapps.

                  ;)

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                  • M Marc Clifton

                    Mike Hankey wrote:

                    A better way to create crap apps crapps.

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                    Mike Hankey
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                    In other words it a crap shoot if the app will be worth a crap?

                    I'm not sure how many cookies it makes to be happy, but so far it's not 27. JaxCoder.com

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                    • S swampwiz

                      Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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                      Andreas Mertens
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                      You know what will happen. Some manager will get one of these no-code platforms and try to build his own apps. He'll get stuck part way through and then get a developer to try and finish it. And that will be where we run into the dilemma of trying to complete it in that no-code platform (if it is even possible) or tell that manager it cannot be done and has to be re-written fro scratch...

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                      • S swampwiz

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                        BabyYoda
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                        Based on the responses so far, developers clearly underestimate the power of low code. I am not familiar with the Microsoft one but I am familiar with Mendix and it is powerful enough to run businesses. It can do anything .Net can do and much easier to build. Those that think this is just a passing fad will be passed by this "fad."

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                        • S swampwiz

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                          Hooga Booga
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                          Some trivial apps will be possible, but these solutions always have bottlenecks that make somethings very difficult or impossible.

                          Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx

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                          • S swampwiz

                            Microsoft's low-code tools: Now everyone can be a developer - TechRepublic[^]

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                            Microsoft was offering "no code database development" in Visual Basic 3, and that was released in 1993. It's true, using VB3 you could build a database system by doing nothing more than dragging and dropping controls onto a form and clicking the property showing where you'd like to source the data from. Yet here we are, 27 years later, and I'm continuing to have a good career as a software developer specializing in databases. No code systems will continue to exist, they will continue be used by "Power users" who all have varying degree of skill, and they will continue to be the bane of the real IT professional who is asked to come up and fix the mistakes of the "Power user", usually after data is lost or a business critical limitation is reached.

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