Q&A, later in the 21st Century
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Agile - where the tail wags the dog. And as a bit of insight, you know which end of the dog has the tail and what it's for.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation: Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too. Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
You mean that I am personally responsible for that many people failing courses, and not joining the workforce as developers? :omg: Do I get a medal? :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
The aims of aguile are laudable, though I'm not convinced that it produces good code in the long term - there is too much emphasis on short term goals and not enough on joined up thinking. But as far as implementation goes, it's usually terrible: an excuse to get costs down by throwing code out the door without much if any quality control. Think about it: do car designers use Agile methods (outside the software component)? Do aircraft manufacturers (other than Boeing obviously)? Why not? Simple: their products have to pass actual independent testing to ensure they don't kill the customer ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Agile - where the tail wags the dog. And as a bit of insight, you know which end of the dog has the tail and what it's for.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Agile - where the tail wags the dog.
I expected something like this... Looks like my advocating ability needs to be improved. Maybe I will try some time later. Meanwhile, I need to complete my sprint (scrum? sprint scrum? whatever).
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
11917640 Member wrote:
Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
All of them?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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The aims of aguile are laudable, though I'm not convinced that it produces good code in the long term - there is too much emphasis on short term goals and not enough on joined up thinking. But as far as implementation goes, it's usually terrible: an excuse to get costs down by throwing code out the door without much if any quality control. Think about it: do car designers use Agile methods (outside the software component)? Do aircraft manufacturers (other than Boeing obviously)? Why not? Simple: their products have to pass actual independent testing to ensure they don't kill the customer ...
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
OriginalGriff wrote:
Do car designers use Agile methods? Do aircraft manufacturers?
I wanted to answer here "Boeing, obviously", but fortunately, decided to read the whole reply.
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You mean that I am personally responsible for that many people failing courses, and not joining the workforce as developers? :omg: Do I get a medal? :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
OriginalGriff wrote:
Do I get a medal?
Are 2.6M (and rising) rep points not enough for you?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation: Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too. Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
You underestimate the power of AI. Answer: "Ask Siri, she knows"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Do I get a medal?
Are 2.6M (and rising) rep points not enough for you?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
Are 2.6M (and rising) rep points not enough for you?
Of which, between 94.6% and 98.3% are using that boilerplate post. Brilliant - P.T. Barnum would be proud - it's never a bad idea to go for the low hanging fruit, first. Unfortunately for my, due to time zones, I don't get in on this until most of these have been answered. I'm not bitter. I though about it and am not even vengeful. Perhaps awestruck or starstruck?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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11917640 Member wrote:
Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
All of them?
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Good guess.
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You underestimate the power of AI. Answer: "Ask Siri, she knows"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
I won't have one of those shameless hussies in my home! At the very least, I have a wife - one female voiced entity awaiting an opportunity to pounce is all I can handle
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I won't have one of those shameless hussies in my home! At the very least, I have a wife - one female voiced entity awaiting an opportunity to pounce is all I can handle
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I got you, 3 to 1. I have 2 daughters. No, make it 4 to 1. Almost forgot the granddaughter. Genius: The guy who put the mute button on hearing aids.
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Agile like all these 'processes' is great if people do it properly and stick to it throughout the project. But in my experience, after a few meetings everyone loses focus, or other pressures are put on people. The result is that they do "agile lite", which is as good as not doing it at all. I have never seen (in 40+ years) a project following any of these processes that actually delivered what it promised.
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You mean that I am personally responsible for that many people failing courses, and not joining the workforce as developers? :omg: Do I get a medal? :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
No, but you have become part of the process of weeding out the duds.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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You underestimate the power of AI. Answer: "Ask Siri, she knows"
If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
Here we see again how important artificial intelligence can be to the naturally dumb.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
Never having used Agile--my salaried days predate it--I will make some observations. Let's start with this. A process will not produce good software without skilled developers. But skilled developers will produce good software without a process, though a process can help them work more effectively.
In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).
Discovering requirements, yes. Developing solutions iteratively, yes. But those who don't write code have nothing to do with development except providing user feedback. And cross-functional activity must be managed, lest it significantly increase the number of lines of communication and totally busy people out responding to every twit who invokes their name.
It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development,
no different than any software process, because the nature of software is evolution
early delivery,
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change.
again, no different than any software process
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
They talk the talk, but don't know how to walk. Scraps for beggars (users); one scrap at a time. An elephant is like a snake, except it isn't. But Agile says to focus on the snake; then the tree stump; etc. until you have not the elephant the user wanted. Agile is like web development. One grotesque mismatched part after another. One "trains" to be agile; you don't know Agile until you've done it; but it doesn't work "as described" out of the box. (i.e. no experience, you'll never get agile / Agile).
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Who will be doing the A's for the Q's ? Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters. That, of course, leads me to this simulation: Question: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. What I have tried: Help me. I need to get my code done by this afternoon. I don't know where to start. Answer 1: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. My solution was to post it at the CodeProject.com and ask for the answer, too. Answer 2: I recall having the same homework question when I was a student. I never got a posted reply to do any of my homework all semester, except this guy, Original Griff, and he'd tell me to do my own homework. so I failed the course. Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Well - the only ones left will be the current Q&A Posters.
That's a scary thought. :~
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W∴ Balboos, GHB wrote:
Now I am contract manager for Agile projects
I don't believe: do you really dislike Agile? I am trying to convince you to like it. In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development, early delivery, and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change. Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
11917640 Member wrote:
Which one of these beautiful Agile goodies looks like complete crap?
The ones where managers say "we don't need a planning because we're doing agile!" and "we're going to adopt an agile approach, but we really need it done by [insert specific date]." Another classic, switching priorities every other day because "we're agile". Also a favorite, "we're doing agile so you're self-managing teams [I'll be out on the golf court]." :laugh:
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Never having used Agile--my salaried days predate it--I will make some observations. Let's start with this. A process will not produce good software without skilled developers. But skilled developers will produce good software without a process, though a process can help them work more effectively.
In software development, agile practices approach discovering requirements and developing solutions through the collaborative effort of self-organizing and cross-functional teams and their customer(s)/end user(s).
Discovering requirements, yes. Developing solutions iteratively, yes. But those who don't write code have nothing to do with development except providing user feedback. And cross-functional activity must be managed, lest it significantly increase the number of lines of communication and totally busy people out responding to every twit who invokes their name.
It advocates adaptive planning, evolutionary development,
no different than any software process, because the nature of software is evolution
early delivery,
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
and continual improvement, and it encourages flexible responses to change.
again, no different than any software process
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Greg Utas wrote:
as long as everyone understands what alpha and beta releases are
Microsoft do, though they use different names. "RTM" is "Alpha", "SP1" is "Beta", ... :-D
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
