I am appalled
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I'm appalled by some of the self-righteousness in this thread. Even the "authorities" have said conflicting things, but anyone who doesn't adhere to the "facts" as some people see them is to be vilified.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Yep, it's another one of those things that seems to polarise people. One is either in or out, there is no complexity or room for discussion.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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5teveH wrote:
the measures currently in place aren't working - because people are not sticking to the rules
Or maybe they're not working because they just don't work and\or are simply not compatible with human life? Maybe repeatedly doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is simply a sign of madness?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they just don't work and\or are simply not compatible with human life?
Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
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Slow Eddie wrote:
It Seems to me that British TV is far superior to American TV
I guess you have not seen much British TV. The current schedules are full of dross, Coronation Street, Eastenders, Emmerdale (in all of which, everyone hates everyone else), Mrs. Brown's Boys (awful), far too many cookery programs, rarely a decent film ...
Now that's being a bit unfair. I've noticed that over the Christmas period, at just about any time of day you can also watch, Queen concerts, Queen documentaries, Freddie Mercury documentaries, Freddie tribute concert and Brian May's "How to train your badger."
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Now that's being a bit unfair. I've noticed that over the Christmas period, at just about any time of day you can also watch, Queen concerts, Queen documentaries, Freddie Mercury documentaries, Freddie tribute concert and Brian May's "How to train your badger."
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Maybe repeatedly doing the same thing over and over while expecting different results is simply a sign of madness?
And maybe its grim desperation and a lack of any alternative. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that viruses spread when people congregate. And, yes, I understand that asking people to stop congregating, is contrary to normal human existence. But desperate times, require desperate measures. And, BTW, lock-down in March did stop the spread, so I don't think repeating that and expecting the same result, is madness. It's already a proven effective option - albeit with significant social and financial consequences. But I'm sure the government would be more than happy to hear from anyone who can suggest a better option.....
5teveH wrote:
And, BTW, lock-down in March did stop the spread,
So why is it still here? The November lockdown was so we wouldn't be locked down over Christmas and after November the lockdowns continued ever more harshly not just for Christmas but the whole of December and now with literally no end in sight. Who knows, keep locking us down, maybe one of them will work?
5teveH wrote:
But I'm sure the government would be more than happy to hear from anyone who can suggest a better option.....
Are you sure? Really? When was the last time you heard the phrase "herd immunity"? The thing that has got humans through things way worse than something with a 99% survival rate.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they just don't work and\or are simply not compatible with human life?
Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
Rich Leyshon wrote:
Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
A disease that has killed less than 400 (otherwise) healthy people under the age of 60 in a country with a population of 66,000,000. I'll take my chances :thumbsup:
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Rich Leyshon wrote:
Being killed by a disease is also noticeably incompatible with human life.
A disease that has killed less than 400 (otherwise) healthy people under the age of 60 in a country with a population of 66,000,000. I'll take my chances :thumbsup:
Great, but how many people that aren't as healthy get infected by those that go on to recover? I speak as someone who had a colleague with no major underlying health issues (admittedly getting on a bit) that died.
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Great, but how many people that aren't as healthy get infected by those that go on to recover? I speak as someone who had a colleague with no major underlying health issues (admittedly getting on a bit) that died.
The average age of people who die "from" covid-1984 is the same as the average age people die anyway. There is no statistical significance of covid over any other cause of death in the elderly.
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The average age of people who die "from" covid-1984 is the same as the average age people die anyway. There is no statistical significance of covid over any other cause of death in the elderly.
I'll tell his widow, she'll be very comforted.
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5teveH wrote:
And, BTW, lock-down in March did stop the spread,
So why is it still here? The November lockdown was so we wouldn't be locked down over Christmas and after November the lockdowns continued ever more harshly not just for Christmas but the whole of December and now with literally no end in sight. Who knows, keep locking us down, maybe one of them will work?
5teveH wrote:
But I'm sure the government would be more than happy to hear from anyone who can suggest a better option.....
Are you sure? Really? When was the last time you heard the phrase "herd immunity"? The thing that has got humans through things way worse than something with a 99% survival rate.
I am happy to accept that we will have to agree to disagree on this, but I have to correct your interpretation of what I said. "stop the spread" does not mean "eradicate" and I was not suggesting lock-down would do that. And I'm pretty sure that "herd immunity" would have been considered, but quickly discounted once the consequences were considered - i.e: millions seriously ill; 100,000s dead; and the complete overwhelming of the NHS. That doesn't seem like a 'policy' a Government is ever going to be brave enough to go with! So, it's not even an option, never mind a better option.
