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    X| Yeah... time to whine a little bit, but since I started programming and studying CS i feel like I don't have any life left. It's not like I had great life before and something to miss, but even for an introverted and book-loving person that I am I feel like programming is consuming my soul entirely. I don't even have time to rest, because it would mean the end for my degree. If I study for two or three hours in a day it's actualy me resting. If I don't spend at least 8 hours a day on studying, it's over for me. I'm gonna be kicked out of the school and I don't even have chance to get the job with my current skills. It's impossible for me to survive this degree studying just 3 hours a day.I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree. This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. But this is not how it will be if I work as a programmer. If I work as a programmer, I have to go back home and read another tutorial of another new language and another framework, and study another new technology, another field of CS, becuase if I don't I can't do my job anymore, and I'm irrelevant and replace by 18-year's old python-linux-algorithm-AI- virtuoso X| I feel like Neo, trapped in matrix and don't have any contact with the real world.I became even more socialy backward X|

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    A few quick things to add: * In general, I prefer to hire people with CS degrees for programming jobs because they have a broader CS background and better skills; however, some of the best programmers I know don't have CS degrees and one was entirely self taught. I also once recommended someone with a BS over someone with a MS in CS because the person with only the BS knew his stuff better. It's not the degree that counts, it's what you know and what you can do with it. * I expect people I hire to have basic skills and hopefully know the language(s) we're using and some of the tools (depends on the level, for college hires, I only care about basic problem solving skills using any computer programming language that's a reasonable approximation to what I need - e.g. C++,C#, Java, JavaScript... I don't care which - but you'd better understand OOP). * Most learning is on the job. No one ever knows the apps and systems they will be working on (unless they're a rehire, and that's VERY rare). * There are a couple of times in my life where I felt behind, like I didn't know anything, and "everyone" else was an expert in some new technology I needed to learn. Instead of giving up, I dug in and started learning everything I could about it. A few months later I realized that I was now the expert and everyone was coming to me with questions in that technology. That's because only 10% or so of "everyone" were really experts, the other 90% were just muddling through, and it didn't take that much to pass them by. * I've been doing this for over 40 years. I've spent the entire time learning and re-learning. The languages and tools and systems are completely different, yet the fundamental concepts remain the same, and I'm able to build on my strengths and do a better job and learn things quicker and faster because I have a strong base to build on. So, at least in that sense, it does get easier, but you need to never stop learning and expect to occasionally be overwhelmed... * Doctors have to keep learning too. The medical industry is changing fast! In the medical industry they have Continuing Education Units and if you don't get enough of them you loose your license. * These days, everything is about programming. Even if you don't finish your CS degree you can go into any other field and probably leverage a lot of your programming skills to give yourself a leg up and be more efficient/effective than those around you. (Sometimes I wish I'd done just that :-)). * [Good] Employers expect their people

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      X| Yeah... time to whine a little bit, but since I started programming and studying CS i feel like I don't have any life left. It's not like I had great life before and something to miss, but even for an introverted and book-loving person that I am I feel like programming is consuming my soul entirely. I don't even have time to rest, because it would mean the end for my degree. If I study for two or three hours in a day it's actualy me resting. If I don't spend at least 8 hours a day on studying, it's over for me. I'm gonna be kicked out of the school and I don't even have chance to get the job with my current skills. It's impossible for me to survive this degree studying just 3 hours a day.I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree. This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. But this is not how it will be if I work as a programmer. If I work as a programmer, I have to go back home and read another tutorial of another new language and another framework, and study another new technology, another field of CS, becuase if I don't I can't do my job anymore, and I'm irrelevant and replace by 18-year's old python-linux-algorithm-AI- virtuoso X| I feel like Neo, trapped in matrix and don't have any contact with the real world.I became even more socialy backward X|

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      I think you're trying to encompass too much, part of being a software developer/programmer, is be able to know when something is feasible or not given the time and resources available (time and/or money) and prioritize based on that, and while learning above the curriculum is fine, your primary target is to get your degree, which is what will make you marketable in your firsts jobs. Moreover, whatever language/tooling you learn in your school days might not be applicable to your future jobs, in my case, i learned C++ and Java at school (those were the languages the school liked to use), and when i got my first development job i had to learn VB.NET, for the interview, one day before, as that was the technology they used.

      "Science fiction is any idea that occurs in the head and doesn’t exist yet, but soon will, and will change everything for everybody, and nothing will ever be the same again." Ray Bradbury

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        X| Yeah... time to whine a little bit, but since I started programming and studying CS i feel like I don't have any life left. It's not like I had great life before and something to miss, but even for an introverted and book-loving person that I am I feel like programming is consuming my soul entirely. I don't even have time to rest, because it would mean the end for my degree. If I study for two or three hours in a day it's actualy me resting. If I don't spend at least 8 hours a day on studying, it's over for me. I'm gonna be kicked out of the school and I don't even have chance to get the job with my current skills. It's impossible for me to survive this degree studying just 3 hours a day.I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree. This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. But this is not how it will be if I work as a programmer. If I work as a programmer, I have to go back home and read another tutorial of another new language and another framework, and study another new technology, another field of CS, becuase if I don't I can't do my job anymore, and I'm irrelevant and replace by 18-year's old python-linux-algorithm-AI- virtuoso X| I feel like Neo, trapped in matrix and don't have any contact with the real world.I became even more socialy backward X|

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        Breathe! First, the degree proves 3 things: 1) Ability to complete something hard (4yrs of schooling) 2) Ability to LEARN (Rough replacement for IQ) 3) Basic Ability in degree (ie, programming), and this gives you the "tech speak skills" I don't hire programmers fresh out of University anymore. I prefer experience. Second, it took me 7 years to get my 4yr degree. I worked full time the first 3 years while at community college. Then I worked 20+ hours/wk at University, and was screwed over on the transfer. But I loved it. It was hard, but I was young. The point: Slow down. At one point I was taking 19 Credits, 3 at the masters level, while working 20+ hrs a week. I FAILED. I dropped the Masters Class on Neural Networks AND a 300 level computer science class that suffered because the work I was trying to do at the Masters level. I LEARNED MY LIMITS. Know yours. Finally, Dr. Jordan Peterson offers a test you can take (for a fee) that will help identify your personality and what you bring to the table. This could help re-align you with better goals... But YOU and YOU alone are in control of how you spend your time. Take an extra year to get your degree, and enjoy it a bit more... Or suck it up, and realize once it is done, nobody can take the degree away.

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          X| Yeah... time to whine a little bit, but since I started programming and studying CS i feel like I don't have any life left. It's not like I had great life before and something to miss, but even for an introverted and book-loving person that I am I feel like programming is consuming my soul entirely. I don't even have time to rest, because it would mean the end for my degree. If I study for two or three hours in a day it's actualy me resting. If I don't spend at least 8 hours a day on studying, it's over for me. I'm gonna be kicked out of the school and I don't even have chance to get the job with my current skills. It's impossible for me to survive this degree studying just 3 hours a day.I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree. This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. But this is not how it will be if I work as a programmer. If I work as a programmer, I have to go back home and read another tutorial of another new language and another framework, and study another new technology, another field of CS, becuase if I don't I can't do my job anymore, and I'm irrelevant and replace by 18-year's old python-linux-algorithm-AI- virtuoso X| I feel like Neo, trapped in matrix and don't have any contact with the real world.I became even more socialy backward X|

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          Dude, if you're into programming for other reason than having fun you're in the wrong place. My 2c.

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            X| Yeah... time to whine a little bit, but since I started programming and studying CS i feel like I don't have any life left. It's not like I had great life before and something to miss, but even for an introverted and book-loving person that I am I feel like programming is consuming my soul entirely. I don't even have time to rest, because it would mean the end for my degree. If I study for two or three hours in a day it's actualy me resting. If I don't spend at least 8 hours a day on studying, it's over for me. I'm gonna be kicked out of the school and I don't even have chance to get the job with my current skills. It's impossible for me to survive this degree studying just 3 hours a day.I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree. This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. But this is not how it will be if I work as a programmer. If I work as a programmer, I have to go back home and read another tutorial of another new language and another framework, and study another new technology, another field of CS, becuase if I don't I can't do my job anymore, and I'm irrelevant and replace by 18-year's old python-linux-algorithm-AI- virtuoso X| I feel like Neo, trapped in matrix and don't have any contact with the real world.I became even more socialy backward X|

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            You think it sucks now, with 3 hours of classwork and 3 hours of homework a day? Well, when you're employed, it will be a minimum of eight hours a day, no matter what you do for a living. Welcome to adulthood. Childhood was nice, but now it's over. You will look back on your college days as a stressful but rather care-free period in your life. Your so-called life will take place exclusively evenings and weekends. You will learn to take care of your household chores efficiently, so you can get on with the things that interest you. You will get married, so you can split the chores, and so you have someone close by to have a life with, instead of going out looking for your friends. College is stressful, struggling to understand, keeping up with the lectures and the exam schedule. You need to know that this is a normal state for a college student. You're not an idiot--you just haven't learned yet. Embrace the suck. Work will have its deadlines too, but it's not the same degree of mental struggle. You will be far more confident once you complete your degree. Continuous reeducation is a part of computer science that will be there your whole career. If you really can't stand to keep learning forever, you need to quit now and do something simpler, like carrying bricks for a living.

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              You think it sucks now, with 3 hours of classwork and 3 hours of homework a day? Well, when you're employed, it will be a minimum of eight hours a day, no matter what you do for a living. Welcome to adulthood. Childhood was nice, but now it's over. You will look back on your college days as a stressful but rather care-free period in your life. Your so-called life will take place exclusively evenings and weekends. You will learn to take care of your household chores efficiently, so you can get on with the things that interest you. You will get married, so you can split the chores, and so you have someone close by to have a life with, instead of going out looking for your friends. College is stressful, struggling to understand, keeping up with the lectures and the exam schedule. You need to know that this is a normal state for a college student. You're not an idiot--you just haven't learned yet. Embrace the suck. Work will have its deadlines too, but it's not the same degree of mental struggle. You will be far more confident once you complete your degree. Continuous reeducation is a part of computer science that will be there your whole career. If you really can't stand to keep learning forever, you need to quit now and do something simpler, like carrying bricks for a living.

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              SeattleC++ wrote:

              Continuous reeducation is a part of computer science that will be there your whole career. If you really can't stand to keep learning forever, you need to quit now and do something simpler, like carrying bricks for a living.

              Hehe :laugh: yeah, you're so right on this one.

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                Breathe! First, the degree proves 3 things: 1) Ability to complete something hard (4yrs of schooling) 2) Ability to LEARN (Rough replacement for IQ) 3) Basic Ability in degree (ie, programming), and this gives you the "tech speak skills" I don't hire programmers fresh out of University anymore. I prefer experience. Second, it took me 7 years to get my 4yr degree. I worked full time the first 3 years while at community college. Then I worked 20+ hours/wk at University, and was screwed over on the transfer. But I loved it. It was hard, but I was young. The point: Slow down. At one point I was taking 19 Credits, 3 at the masters level, while working 20+ hrs a week. I FAILED. I dropped the Masters Class on Neural Networks AND a 300 level computer science class that suffered because the work I was trying to do at the Masters level. I LEARNED MY LIMITS. Know yours. Finally, Dr. Jordan Peterson offers a test you can take (for a fee) that will help identify your personality and what you bring to the table. This could help re-align you with better goals... But YOU and YOU alone are in control of how you spend your time. Take an extra year to get your degree, and enjoy it a bit more... Or suck it up, and realize once it is done, nobody can take the degree away.

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                Thanks for your advice :) I will keep that in mind.

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                  I think you're trying to encompass too much, part of being a software developer/programmer, is be able to know when something is feasible or not given the time and resources available (time and/or money) and prioritize based on that, and while learning above the curriculum is fine, your primary target is to get your degree, which is what will make you marketable in your firsts jobs. Moreover, whatever language/tooling you learn in your school days might not be applicable to your future jobs, in my case, i learned C++ and Java at school (those were the languages the school liked to use), and when i got my first development job i had to learn VB.NET, for the interview, one day before, as that was the technology they used.

                  "Science fiction is any idea that occurs in the head and doesn’t exist yet, but soon will, and will change everything for everybody, and nothing will ever be the same again." Ray Bradbury

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                  RafagaX wrote:

                  and when i got my first development job i had to learn VB.NET, for the interview, one day before, as that was the technology they used.

                  wow... X| How did you manage to do that? In one day? Maybe some people are more immune to stress :~

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                  • M Martin ISDN

                    and don't forget what others have said about the corona crisis, nobody has a life anymore compared to the 80's and 90's also, whenever i worked i was 90% of the time in IT, i just wasn't a programmer.

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                    Yeah its true :(

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                    • D David On Life

                      A few quick things to add: * In general, I prefer to hire people with CS degrees for programming jobs because they have a broader CS background and better skills; however, some of the best programmers I know don't have CS degrees and one was entirely self taught. I also once recommended someone with a BS over someone with a MS in CS because the person with only the BS knew his stuff better. It's not the degree that counts, it's what you know and what you can do with it. * I expect people I hire to have basic skills and hopefully know the language(s) we're using and some of the tools (depends on the level, for college hires, I only care about basic problem solving skills using any computer programming language that's a reasonable approximation to what I need - e.g. C++,C#, Java, JavaScript... I don't care which - but you'd better understand OOP). * Most learning is on the job. No one ever knows the apps and systems they will be working on (unless they're a rehire, and that's VERY rare). * There are a couple of times in my life where I felt behind, like I didn't know anything, and "everyone" else was an expert in some new technology I needed to learn. Instead of giving up, I dug in and started learning everything I could about it. A few months later I realized that I was now the expert and everyone was coming to me with questions in that technology. That's because only 10% or so of "everyone" were really experts, the other 90% were just muddling through, and it didn't take that much to pass them by. * I've been doing this for over 40 years. I've spent the entire time learning and re-learning. The languages and tools and systems are completely different, yet the fundamental concepts remain the same, and I'm able to build on my strengths and do a better job and learn things quicker and faster because I have a strong base to build on. So, at least in that sense, it does get easier, but you need to never stop learning and expect to occasionally be overwhelmed... * Doctors have to keep learning too. The medical industry is changing fast! In the medical industry they have Continuing Education Units and if you don't get enough of them you loose your license. * These days, everything is about programming. Even if you don't finish your CS degree you can go into any other field and probably leverage a lot of your programming skills to give yourself a leg up and be more efficient/effective than those around you. (Sometimes I wish I'd done just that :-)). * [Good] Employers expect their people

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                      Thanks :-D

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                        Dude, if you're into programming for other reason than having fun you're in the wrong place. My 2c.

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                        Well, programming is fun, but as long as you don't have to program from the morning to the evening each day without having some free time, at least for your own family. Everything is fun until it doesn't take your life away from you. Avicii loved making music but it made him commit suicide, just because he was forced to constantly deliver and couldn't take a break and overworked himself to death. You can love eating sushi, but it doesn't have to mean that you also have to love to eat it until you throw up.

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                          Member 14971499 wrote: This feeling that I have to reschool myself again and again to stay in this business makes me sick. I really enjoy programming and it seems like I have predispositions to do this job but I feel this software engineering is crazy (!) If I would study that much for example medical degree I already would be a doctor and at least I would know that I can do my job after these years of studying, and than go back home and read a book, meet with friends, have some time off. i totally agree. in our meeting room there comes a mathematics professor to teach lectures on a schedule that doesn't collide with our regular work. i sneak into the meeting room after those classes and look at the board. i see the same derivations, the same integrals, the same limits of the same functions from the time i was 4th grade high school or 1st year at college. last week i said to the professor, i envy you. why? because your knowledge is firm. your subject, mathematics is non trivial. you teach, that also i always wanted to do. but most importantly mathematics is the same for everyone, even the gods must obey it. and as a bonus, it's logical. once you learn it you can pass you knowledge to others without being affected by trivia. then in your spare time you can program, read a book, listen to music or go on a philosophical journey to a mountain top of say 3000m, nothing extreme. in the past 3 project i have worked on: 3 programming languages changed: javascript, php, c# 3 programming environments changed: linux + geany + grep + node + mongo, windows on client + browser + php storm + linux on server + apache + mysql, windows + visual studio + unity + sqlite 3 version control system changed: git, svn, perforce... and god knows what else some of this i love, to others i am indifferent, the rest i hate and even the javascript i loved has changed so much that i would look foolish if would go straight to a programming interview i started my first job as a programmer in 1998, but i was programming since at least 1985. i quite my job as a programmer around 2003, because i couldn't do the thing i loved on orders. 13 years i worked in a few firms and on many types of jobs. i never quit programming on my spare time. i decided to go in programming once more and this time for good. almost 5 years have passed since then. i still program at my spare time, because what i do at work is not interesting to me. it's just a regular job on the assembly line, no matter if it is somehow connected to php o

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                          Wow, that was very intresting to read :-D Not discouraging at all. I like when people are honest. Better to know that now than to be shocked later. I already heard that it is going to be that way and actually many years ago, when I was searching for jobs I have seen plenty of job postings for PHP-programmers. Like every job was for a PHP-programmer, but nowadays I barely see a jobpostings looking for a PHP-programmer. In those days I wanted to be a programmer but I thought: "No, I never gonna be able to learn this. Technology is changing too much" and now I study CS. So maybe I'm going to be able to stay in that field. Well, who know what the future brings? :-D

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                            Well, programming is fun, but as long as you don't have to program from the morning to the evening each day without having some free time, at least for your own family. Everything is fun until it doesn't take your life away from you. Avicii loved making music but it made him commit suicide, just because he was forced to constantly deliver and couldn't take a break and overworked himself to death. You can love eating sushi, but it doesn't have to mean that you also have to love to eat it until you throw up.

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                            You are right. But you're doing it wrong. Imagine you're in deep dark forest, full of interesting plants and animals, funny-looking critters and a lot of trails appealing you to new adventures and to write new stories. If you stop to examine in detail each little bug and each and every trail, by the end of the day you'll be in the same situation in which you are now, tired, feeling down and questioning life's sense. And things will go worse each and every day. Do not do that. Enjoy the ride, dude. Follow the main path, when you'll see the road you've been meant to ride you'll know it. In the meanwhile, pass your exams, check a little what frameworks and meteoric languages appear and die around you, learn as much as you can and keep going. And make sure you're having fun all along. If it's not fun than it's not worth it.

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                              With the utmost respect, I'm gonna conclude your study technique is awful. Try building a logical tree of topics for each knowledge domain, and for each topic, just focus on the constraints and limitations. Try to understand when something is not applicable, and ponder about what problem it does solve against a previous iteration. This will make the material 100x less dense to navigate. Frankly, if you have to spend so much time each day studying you're clearly wasting your time. You could get better results if just sat down, thought about it, and discussed the topics with your peers in a respectful manner for an hour or so. And, as a bonus, the pyhton-linux-ai-virtuoso is just following a guide that is applicable to his/her problem set. Knowing what information applies to which problem is the only skill you have to practice in this field. In contrast, knowing all the details about a single or more topics and being able to create novel solutions with that knowledge is.. not worth anything. There's no value in novel solutions. They don't scale, they're costly to maintain, and everything has been written already in a less novel but more sensible way.. if you could have just humbled yourself and took the time to look around more. As a scholar, you invent novel approaches and test them for validity. As an engineer, you combine this information into a working prototype. As a professional, you add value and reduce cost. You're the engineer, so the course kinda expects you to engineer a solution to your own problems.

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                              I think you misunderstood me, because I wrote about python-linux-ai-virtuoso. I only wrote that as an example of someone talented who is good at his field compared to others who have basic college knowledge and don't excell in any particular subject as all college students who don't learn anything above the school curriculum. I don't want to be a data scientist, and I study what I want to work with in the future and the school doesn't teach that. If I want to work for example as an embedded devloper, I will not sit down and discuss c++ with my peers :rolleyes: They will not write the code for me :rolleyes: There is nothing to think about or discuss, it has to be understood, memorized and applied :rolleyes: because time is running and the school is not teaching me anything that I would want to like to work with in the future. I do this degree just for the paper, because the employers demand it. But anyways, thank's for your advice ;)

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                                You are right. But you're doing it wrong. Imagine you're in deep dark forest, full of interesting plants and animals, funny-looking critters and a lot of trails appealing you to new adventures and to write new stories. If you stop to examine in detail each little bug and each and every trail, by the end of the day you'll be in the same situation in which you are now, tired, feeling down and questioning life's sense. And things will go worse each and every day. Do not do that. Enjoy the ride, dude. Follow the main path, when you'll see the road you've been meant to ride you'll know it. In the meanwhile, pass your exams, check a little what frameworks and meteoric languages appear and die around you, learn as much as you can and keep going. And make sure you're having fun all along. If it's not fun than it's not worth it.

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                                Thank's for your reply :-D

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                                • J Juan Antonio Vizcaino

                                  Short answer is NO. Long answer is NO, we don't have a life, we are always facing our bosses' whims and extendin our job time due to their continuous change of mind. Sorry for that

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                                  hahaha :laugh: Even if it sounds a little bit depressing you made me laugh for a while :-D Thank's for your honest reply :-D

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                                  • C charlieg

                                    Member - suck it up. I mean that in an encouraging way. You are in school and they are trying to wash you out. When I started I had 300+ in my class, 52 graduated in 4 years. Suck it up. You do have *no* life. Focus on the prize. The skills when the python virtuoso has no idea how to code up a line. Don't worry about it. Been in the business 40 years. Seen them flaming out - they look pretty in the sky :)

                                    Charlie Gilley <italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape... "Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783 “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759

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                                    charlieg wrote:

                                    When I started I had 300+ in my class, 52 graduated in 4 years.

                                    :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: Wow... I'm lucky that my college is much more forgiving. Besides, you had to be really skilled to be among those 52.

                                    charlieg wrote:

                                    The skills when the python virtuoso has no idea how to code up a line.

                                    hahaha :laugh:

                                    charlieg wrote:

                                    Don't worry about it. Been in the business 40 years.

                                    Wow, that is really long time :wtf: Thank's for encouragment :)

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                                      When you realize that all this stuff was made up by other people, and some at least not as smart as you, it gets easier. Study smarter, not harder. Take any subject, of the 20 or so books on the subject, only a few are worth picking up (if at all). That goes for videos and tutorials. You have to be discriminating. Even the books that get assigned can be shite ... just remember to parrot what the prof says (whether you agree or not) while "learning". And you don't have to "learn" it all ... The best skill is knowing how to "find" it, when you need it. (Most of ones that frequent Q&A never got that part ... or just lazy / entitled) The biggest fail of the system is "closed book exams" IMO; unless you work in ER or crashing a plane. Closed books is not reality.

                                      It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                                      Thank's for your reply :-D I will keep your advices in mind :)

                                      Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                                      The biggest fail of the system is "closed book exams" IMO; unless you work in ER or crashing a plane

                                      :laugh:

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                                      • D dandy72

                                        Member 14971499 wrote:

                                        I feel also this constant pressure to learn things above the school curriculum to stay relevant on the market because I don't feel like I'm going to be able to do my job after I get my degree

                                        The first thing I learned after graduating is that no matter what is taught, the world will have moved on. It's really the nature of this field. And yet here I am, over a quarter of a century later, still doing it and learning new stuff as I go along. Don't tell yourself you have to know everything to succeed in this field. Learn what they're teaching, but perhaps more importantly "learn how to learn". As someone who's been asked to review resumes and conduct interviews (as much as I hate that) I don't even want to talk to someone fresh out of school who tries his best to know it all - that just won't fly. Rather, if you can demonstrate you know the basics that are expected, and you can learn and adapt, you're in a much better position than burning yourself out before you've even started.

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                                        Thank's for your reply :-D

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                                        • N Nelek

                                          Member 14971499 wrote:

                                          Yeah, I think I want to learn too many things at the same time out of fear

                                          And that's exactly what might trigger exactly that result. My father always told me... the more you envelope, the less you squeeze. A.k.a. if you try to do many things at the same time, you won't do anyone properly. Focus on what you have to do now, and leave the rest for later. You will have plenty of time to learn what is not in your subjects.

                                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                          Thank's :) Actually, really good advice :) I'm always so... I don't know how to call it, maybe obsessive. As soon as it goes well for me at my college, I start to learn things that are not school related and when I advance with one thing, I already get this obsession that now it's time for another language, or maybe time to learn another operating system :laugh: or maybe how the computer is build up haha :laugh: Yeah, so stupid... Like I don't need it, but I feel like I have to learn this and than again I fall behind in the college and I'm stressed and depressed and I whine again... :rolleyes: I want to laugh at my own stupidity but it's true... I'm like Mr.Bean of software engineering haha :rolleyes:

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