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To all the woman that we don't see in CS.... Where are you?

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    Maximilien
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    Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

    I'd rather be phishing!

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      Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

      I'd rather be phishing!

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      MehreenTahir
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      Here I am :)

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        Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

        I'd rather be phishing!

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        It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.

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          Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

          I'd rather be phishing!

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Please don't refer to people as "that".

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            Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

            I'd rather be phishing!

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            Nagy Vilmos
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            There used to be a fair few here who walked away due to toxic men.

            veni bibi saltavi

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              Please don't refer to people as "that".

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              Greg Utas
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              Although some people object, it's both grammatically and stylistically correct. And it avoids the who/whom problem, although those are more common. :)

              Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

              <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
              <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.

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                During my career, I never found it to be an issue. In 1981, when I joined the company where I worked for over 20 years, it looked like a meeting of the UN. There were a reasonable number of women, probably at least to the extent that there were women graduates in Computer Science or Engineering. Hiring talent was always a challenge, so it would have been stupid to discriminate for irrelevant reasons. There were probably managers who did discriminate, but I never heard anyone suggest that doing so was sensible.

                Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                  Although some people object, it's both grammatically and stylistically correct. And it avoids the who/whom problem, although those are more common. :)

                  Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                  The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                  It is not correct; it is dehumanizing.

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                    It is not correct; it is dehumanizing.

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                    See "Who" or "That" for People and Animals? | Grammar Girl[^].

                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                    <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                    <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                      It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.

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                      Slacker007 wrote:

                      Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent

                      My company is hiring as diverse as possible - without hiring quality talent, but to get their figures straight. Positive discrimination = Disaster.

                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                        It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.

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                        shanda watkins
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                        Slacker007 wrote:

                        Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,

                        I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:

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                          Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

                          I'd rather be phishing!

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                          shanda watkins
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                          Why do women have to be interested in Computer Science?

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                            Why do women have to be interested in Computer Science?

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                            Because our office smells too much like testosterone.

                            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                              Slacker007 wrote:

                              Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,

                              I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:

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                              This exactly. See my reply above.

                              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                Slacker007 wrote:

                                Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,

                                I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:

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                                shanda watkins wrote:

                                I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.

                                Because people that don't work as hard to achieve a skill still feel like they're owed something by the rest of society. (And this viewpoint exists in all races and both genders). Furthermore, this viewpoint is taught and fostered by the modern American school system. Everybody wins a trophy, regardless of how well they actually do at something, so they go through life *expecting* to be treated equally (in terms of potential job suitability) when they're not actually equal. At some point, equality and skill set diverges into separate paths. Anyone can sweep standing water off a sidewalk, but not everyone can be a programmer, or even a grocery clerk.

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                                  Slacker007 wrote:

                                  Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,

                                  I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:

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                                  Slacker007
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                                  shanda watkins wrote:

                                  I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.

                                  Its all about Politics. I have no say in our company's hiring practices.

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                                    shanda watkins wrote:

                                    I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.

                                    Because people that don't work as hard to achieve a skill still feel like they're owed something by the rest of society. (And this viewpoint exists in all races and both genders). Furthermore, this viewpoint is taught and fostered by the modern American school system. Everybody wins a trophy, regardless of how well they actually do at something, so they go through life *expecting* to be treated equally (in terms of potential job suitability) when they're not actually equal. At some point, equality and skill set diverges into separate paths. Anyone can sweep standing water off a sidewalk, but not everyone can be a programmer, or even a grocery clerk.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    Exactly.

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                                      Because our office smells too much like testosterone.

                                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                      If it does now, wait until you hire some women!

                                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                                      <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                                      <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                                        Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

                                        I'd rather be phishing!

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                                        jeron1
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                                        Maximilien wrote:

                                        We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project.

                                        I could be wrong, but I believe honey-the-codewitch is male.

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                                          Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:

                                          I'd rather be phishing!

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                                          Daniel Pfeffer
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                                          My immediate boss has 3 women and 5 men in his team. He has a colleague who runs a team that is 100% women (including the team leader). This is not at all unusual in the development centre where I work. Perhaps the problem is that women have better things to do than waste their time on CodeProject? :) (I'll get my coat)

                                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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