To all the woman that we don't see in CS.... Where are you?
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It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.
During my career, I never found it to be an issue. In 1981, when I joined the company where I worked for over 20 years, it looked like a meeting of the UN. There were a reasonable number of women, probably at least to the extent that there were women graduates in Computer Science or Engineering. Hiring talent was always a challenge, so it would have been stupid to discriminate for irrelevant reasons. There were probably managers who did discriminate, but I never heard anyone suggest that doing so was sensible.
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Although some people object, it's both grammatically and stylistically correct. And it avoids the who/whom problem, although those are more common. :)
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.It is not correct; it is dehumanizing.
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It is not correct; it is dehumanizing.
See "Who" or "That" for People and Animals? | Grammar Girl[^].
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It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.
Slacker007 wrote:
Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent
My company is hiring as diverse as possible - without hiring quality talent, but to get their figures straight. Positive discrimination = Disaster.
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It's happening. We currently have 3 female software engineers on our team now. Two year's ago, it was zero. Give it time. :thumbsup: EDIT: it also has to do with company hiring procedures and practice. Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible, while hiring quality talent. A lot of companies have been doing this for years now, but some were/are a little slow on the up take.
Slacker007 wrote:
Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
Why do women have to be interested in Computer Science?
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Why do women have to be interested in Computer Science?
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Slacker007 wrote:
Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:
This exactly. See my reply above.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:
shanda watkins wrote:
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.
Because people that don't work as hard to achieve a skill still feel like they're owed something by the rest of society. (And this viewpoint exists in all races and both genders). Furthermore, this viewpoint is taught and fostered by the modern American school system. Everybody wins a trophy, regardless of how well they actually do at something, so they go through life *expecting* to be treated equally (in terms of potential job suitability) when they're not actually equal. At some point, equality and skill set diverges into separate paths. Anyone can sweep standing water off a sidewalk, but not everyone can be a programmer, or even a grocery clerk.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Slacker007 wrote:
Our company now tries to hire as diverse as possible,
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity. Just hire the best candidate, period. I can't even begin to imagine having several people that are equally qualified and then deciding who to make the offer to simply based on their race or gender. That's insanity. :omg: :doh:
shanda watkins wrote:
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.
Its all about Politics. I have no say in our company's hiring practices.
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shanda watkins wrote:
I have never understood why people are so obsessed with skin color and diversity.
Because people that don't work as hard to achieve a skill still feel like they're owed something by the rest of society. (And this viewpoint exists in all races and both genders). Furthermore, this viewpoint is taught and fostered by the modern American school system. Everybody wins a trophy, regardless of how well they actually do at something, so they go through life *expecting* to be treated equally (in terms of potential job suitability) when they're not actually equal. At some point, equality and skill set diverges into separate paths. Anyone can sweep standing water off a sidewalk, but not everyone can be a programmer, or even a grocery clerk.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Exactly.
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Because our office smells too much like testosterone.
If it does now, wait until you hire some women!
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
Maximilien wrote:
We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project.
I could be wrong, but I believe honey-the-codewitch is male.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
My immediate boss has 3 women and 5 men in his team. He has a colleague who runs a team that is 100% women (including the team leader). This is not at all unusual in the development centre where I work. Perhaps the problem is that women have better things to do than waste their time on CodeProject? :) (I'll get my coat)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Maximilien wrote:
We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project.
I could be wrong, but I believe honey-the-codewitch is male.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
the codewitch claims to be female. Until I have evidence to the contrary, I'd take her at her word. :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
It will need to be evolved into. Just like in Chemistry - so few female chem majors, even at the undergraduate level. You can't hire what you can't find. And hiring just for the sake of some quota not only demeans the cause but does a disservice to the reputations of those who have earned their place. And this applies across all boundaries of gender, race, religion or physical limitations. Despite the current popular opinion that we need to compensate for (real or perceived) past injustices, remember that every slot given to the less deserving is taken from someone. Not a demographic but a genuine feeling person. Hiring for "old school ties" is a long-existent evil. So, too, is bigotry. The cure for both, if one does not want to continue the cycle via resentment, is to demand equal treatment for all.
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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the codewitch claims to be female. Until I have evidence to the contrary, I'd take her at her word. :-\
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
See here.[^] Not that it matters.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
Completely agree! We could use a little less testosterone and toxic masculinity in IT X| I don't doubt that the field as a whole would progress if it was a bit more mixed. Not sure what @code-witch has to do with it though, as he's just another dude* be it a bit... different** :laugh: * We've all made that mistake when he first arrived, but the signs are there ** I'm talking about his single-line if-statements, of course
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Computer science is fun , it is challenging, it can help solve a lot of things in this world. Where are you ? We need a lot more honey-the-codewitch in this world on Code Project. We need more Grace Hopper, more Annie Easley, more Margaret Hamilton, more Caterina Fake, more Shafi Goldwasser... [International Women's Day 2021](https://www.internationalwomensday.com/) [Women in computing - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women\_in\_computing) [Girls Who Code | Home](https://girlswhocode.com/) :rose:
I'd rather be phishing!
Maximilien wrote:
Where are you ?
They're rising, but it is still seen as a boring job, while nurses save lives, teachers shape lives. There's a lot one can do that has more tangible result on the world. Converted one who wanted to join the army for a career; and in four, five years she managed to sail past me. Didn't help her much either. There's a lot of untapped potential out there, because we "boring" (meaning, predictable and reliable as a source of income, plus job security). Working in a stuffy office to achieve your Agile milestones is not going to tickle any girl.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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See here.[^] Not that it matters.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
I sit corrected. :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
