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  • D den2k88

    At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

    GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    A little late to the game, aintcha?

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    • D den2k88

      Worst thing I (very recently) saw: blocks indentated K&R with a blank line after each block opening, as in

      while (something){

      code
      

      }

      if (something){

      code
      

      }

      Why use the K&R style at all if the code is not more compact anyway??

      GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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      W Balboos GHB
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      So, I suppose your point is that if one misuses something it doesn't work as planned. Why am I not surprised?

      Ravings en masse^

      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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      • D den2k88

        At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

        GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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        Greg Utas
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        I use Allman because I often find that horizontal space is wasted and vertical space is used miserly. A condition is important, so it should stand out and be easy to read, and putting the left brace on the next line helps with that.

        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

        <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
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        • D den2k88

          At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

          GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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          Jorgen Andersson
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          If I recall correctly, OG is a fan of Wintersmith

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            If I recall correctly, OG is a fan of Wintersmith

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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            OriginalGriff
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            Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              :) I suppose you're a fan of whitesmith as well.

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                Forogar
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                I miss TP - and I'm not talking about tp.

                - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                • D den2k88

                  At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                  GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                  Slacker007
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                  Don't you know what this will do to Griff's ego if you publicly declare him "right all along". :sigh:

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                  • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                    I use Allman because I often find that horizontal space is wasted and vertical space is used miserly. A condition is important, so it should stand out and be easy to read, and putting the left brace on the next line helps with that.

                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Vertical space means I can make notes and such.

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                      Vertical space means I can make notes and such.

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                      Notes where, on your fanfold printout?! :laugh:

                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                      <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                      <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                      • D den2k88

                        At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                        GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                        fd9750
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                        I agree completely, whoever came up with K&R style ( probably K&R ) were out of their mind, no matter whatever other brilliant stuff they came up with. What could be better than:

                        { // this is where we do stuff for whatever reason
                        ...
                        ...
                        }

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                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                          Notes where, on your fanfold printout?! :laugh:

                          Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                          The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Pshaw! Legal-sized sheets, half-inch margins, duh.

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            Pshaw! Legal-sized sheets, half-inch margins, duh.

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                            Greg Utas
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                            I don't remember the last time I printed code off! My guess would be 1999. :laugh:

                            Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                            The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                            <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                            <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                              I agree completely, whoever came up with K&R style ( probably K&R ) were out of their mind, no matter whatever other brilliant stuff they came up with. What could be better than:

                              { // this is where we do stuff for whatever reason
                              ...
                              ...
                              }

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                              Greg Utas
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                              Their 8-space (tab) indentation is worse. Despicable, in fact.

                              Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                              <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                              <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                              • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                Their 8-space (tab) indentation is worse. Despicable, in fact.

                                Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                                The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                                fd9750
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                                I didn't know about that one but yes 'despicable' would be the only valid term I can imagine. :sigh:

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                                • S Slacker007

                                  Don't you know what this will do to Griff's ego if you publicly declare him "right all along". :sigh:

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                                  OriginalGriff
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                                  It's cool - I don't believe a word of it! :laugh:

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                    I miss TP - and I'm not talking about tp.

                                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                    Jorgen Andersson
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                                    You'd miss tp as well if it were gone.

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      It's cool - I don't believe a word of it! :laugh:

                                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      Riiiight...

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                                      • D den2k88

                                        At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                        GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                        It WAS Griff, and me! But methinks he was advocating Whitesmith's Indentation style - Wikipedia[^]

                                        if(this->aintUgly())
                                        {
                                        thenWhatIs(); // ??
                                        }

                                        "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're going"

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                                        • D den2k88

                                          At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                          GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                          BillWoodruff
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                                          Allman all the way, for me. "White space" is cheap, now ... compared to when "real programmers don't eat quiche." [^]

                                          «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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