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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    If I recall correctly, OG is a fan of Wintersmith

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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    OriginalGriff
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    Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      :) I suppose you're a fan of whitesmith as well.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Well, it was a good album, and an excellent pTerry book ... :-D

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Forogar
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        I miss TP - and I'm not talking about tp.

        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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        • D den2k88

          At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

          GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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          Slacker007
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          Don't you know what this will do to Griff's ego if you publicly declare him "right all along". :sigh:

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          • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

            I use Allman because I often find that horizontal space is wasted and vertical space is used miserly. A condition is important, so it should stand out and be easy to read, and putting the left brace on the next line helps with that.

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Vertical space means I can make notes and such.

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Vertical space means I can make notes and such.

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              Greg Utas
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              Notes where, on your fanfold printout?! :laugh:

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              The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

              <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
              <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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              • D den2k88

                At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                fd9750
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                I agree completely, whoever came up with K&R style ( probably K&R ) were out of their mind, no matter whatever other brilliant stuff they came up with. What could be better than:

                { // this is where we do stuff for whatever reason
                ...
                ...
                }

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                • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                  Notes where, on your fanfold printout?! :laugh:

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  Pshaw! Legal-sized sheets, half-inch margins, duh.

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    Pshaw! Legal-sized sheets, half-inch margins, duh.

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                    Greg Utas
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                    I don't remember the last time I printed code off! My guess would be 1999. :laugh:

                    Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                    The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                    <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                    <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                    • F fd9750

                      I agree completely, whoever came up with K&R style ( probably K&R ) were out of their mind, no matter whatever other brilliant stuff they came up with. What could be better than:

                      { // this is where we do stuff for whatever reason
                      ...
                      ...
                      }

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                      Greg Utas
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                      Their 8-space (tab) indentation is worse. Despicable, in fact.

                      Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                      The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

                      <p><a href="https://github.com/GregUtas/robust-services-core/blob/master/README.md">Robust Services Core</a>
                      <em>The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.</em></p>

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                      • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                        Their 8-space (tab) indentation is worse. Despicable, in fact.

                        Robust Services Core | Software Techniques for Lemmings | Articles
                        The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.

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                        fd9750
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                        I didn't know about that one but yes 'despicable' would be the only valid term I can imagine. :sigh:

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                        • S Slacker007

                          Don't you know what this will do to Griff's ego if you publicly declare him "right all along". :sigh:

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                          OriginalGriff
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                          It's cool - I don't believe a word of it! :laugh:

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                            I miss TP - and I'm not talking about tp.

                            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                            Jorgen Andersson
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                            You'd miss tp as well if it were gone.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              It's cool - I don't believe a word of it! :laugh:

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              Riiiight...

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                              • D den2k88

                                At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                megaadam
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                                It WAS Griff, and me! But methinks he was advocating Whitesmith's Indentation style - Wikipedia[^]

                                if(this->aintUgly())
                                {
                                thenWhatIs(); // ??
                                }

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                                • D den2k88

                                  At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                  GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                  BillWoodruff
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                                  Allman all the way, for me. "White space" is cheap, now ... compared to when "real programmers don't eat quiche." [^]

                                  «One day it will have to be officially admitted that what we have christened reality is an even greater illusion than the world of dreams.» Salvador Dali

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                                  • D den2k88

                                    At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                    GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                    Vikram A Punathambekar
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                                    Ah, it's been so long since we had a braces war ;) Allman style is awesome, K&R is fugly X| But I like Python even better, where indentation determines scope.

                                    Cheers, Vikram.

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                                    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                                      Their 8-space (tab) indentation is worse. Despicable, in fact.

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                                      Gary Wheeler
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                                      Greg Utas wrote:

                                      Despicable, in fact

                                      The word 'despicable' is a moral judgment. Given that they invented the brace style at the same time they invented the C programming language, and tabs were 8 spaces wide because of teletypes and other such hardware, a little bit of understanding might be in order.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      • V Vikram A Punathambekar

                                        Ah, it's been so long since we had a braces war ;) Allman style is awesome, K&R is fugly X| But I like Python even better, where indentation determines scope.

                                        Cheers, Vikram.

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:

                                        I like Python even better, where indentation determines scope

                                        You just like to sit back and watch the world burn, don't you? :-D

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        • D den2k88

                                          At least I think I'm referring to OG. I vaguely recall defending the K&R indentation style with OG pointing me why he thought Allman to be better. A handful of years later and several projects where Allman style was mandated by coding rules it actually became my new indentation style, mostly for the reasons OG pointed to me (easier to see the nesting level of constructs, better block separation, easier manipulation of the condition statement regardless of the operation done in the block).

                                          GCS d--(d+) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                                          Gary Wheeler
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                                          Allman braces are morally, ethically, and spiritually superior to any other brace style, including K&R.

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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