Windows XP
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Monster modern CPU? I have one on an Atom tablet, another one on a Raspberry Pi 3B.
You know... a monster DESKTOP machine! ^_^ Always works so well! :) Only 16Gb of RAM though... not a single Gb more than my work machine! :sigh:
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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i like the ui of xp so much more, to be precise i use the old classic theme on xp, the one that looks like windows 2000. in my opinion that was the best windows, the 2000. and i am better with something that has known quirks and workarounds (be that xp or whatever) then with something that constantly changes, fixes old quirks and introduces new ones (be that win10 or whatever) when i buy something i want the thing as it is at that moment. end of story. no mandatory upgrades. it is mine, i have paid for it.
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Well, in XP we don't need to investigate the screen with 2 or more people to find out what row is the selected row... I like how W10 works (except the spyware off course) but I hate how it looks. We got all that PC power, we got graphical cards that have more power then old PC's, but we have such a limited GUI. Finding a button to push is sometimes a real challenge. In in that regard, XP is superior to W10
Delphi.7.Solutions wrote:
we got graphical cards that have more power then old PC's, but we have such a limited GUI
One of my main complaints about Windows 10. Now that it's safe to assume everyone's got the hardware to render (at least) 24-bit color, MS went back in time and Windows 10 wouldn't look all that different rendered on a CGA card from 1982.
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Win10 is also the first Microsoft OS I think it is a step back (but for the One-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named, but I think nobody talks about it anymore). What I utmost hate is the flat design and the redesign of the settings - To me a true step back. Developers stop caring about resources years ago because they are cheap. So yes, you need the big monster modern PC to run anything. A printer driver 4Gb ? A pdf reader 2Gb ? An ... OS 122 Gb ? As you may know, I am the IT guy of my local school - Teachers are using interactive applications, which are sometimes nothing else than encapsulated HTML5 or pdf viewers; one of them is sucking up 220Gb of disk space (you read that well) and need more than 10Gb RAM to run. To merely DISPLAY things on the screen, and it is slow as hell.
I would venture to say that Windows 8 was the "first" step backward... I can't stand Windows 10. The flat design kills me, the plethora of extra processes just to maintain a functional OS is crazy. While I did recently build a Windows 10 machine for myself, since I know that eventually, I will require it, my primary workstation is still a Windows 7 64 bit machine with 32Gb of RAM and a bunch of SSDs in a few RAID configurations. That said, my home networks are well fire-walled, in fact, friends/guests/visitors that require WIFI access get an entirely different router and and gateway. All of my development/testing/work resources are on a separate network from the rest of my home, so as long as I don't do something terribly stupid, the lack of new security updates is not of too much concern to me. If it ever gets to the point that I can't run all of the development tools that I require on W7 64 bit, then I will bite the bullet and transition to the Windows 10 box, but until such a time, Windows 7 still rocks!
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Windows XP, for desktop, for the business accounting software that I have developed over the years, is the best OS the Evil Empire ever created. It was / is quick, stable, and runs non-stop. Last year I moved one of my clients from XP to Windows 10. Result, unexpected errors requiring a lot of workarounds. The program is written in VB6. Windows 10 is supposed to support it. It does but not well. We moved from MS-DOS to 2000. no problems. From 2000 to XP no problems. Changed the database from Access to SQL Server no problems. Went from XP to Windows10 lots of problems.
Newer isn't better, just different and usually full of bugs. :mad:
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Look, I will gladly defend Windows XP. I am still sad I had to give it up. I installed Classic Shell into Windows 10. Speed. Since I upgraded directly from XP to Windows 10, on the same hardware. 1) Don't be fooled by the fast "login screen", which does not mean windows is ready! 2) XP had cruft in it, after years, but booted up really fast (All SSDs) 3) Fewer Program issues with HDR and other resolution/monitor problems (having run 4 monitors) 5) Everything worked, the 20yrs of Windows experience MEANT something on XP. You could find stuff Windows 10. They hijacked EVERY Win+ key combination. And while I LOVE the splash login screen, and NOT having to use Ctrl-Alt-Del. I DESPISE the file search feature/indexing crap, the search/cortana, the Windows 10 Start Button (thankfully they gave normal uses RIGHT CLICK). The Panels. So, I don't feel I gained much on performance DIRECTLY. Indirectly, my NEW machine has 64GB of Memory, and USB-C [And I get varying results, depending on the cable and the device], but I/O is significantly faster. I drive a 55" 4K Monitor, logically divided to 4 monitors with special software. Seamless. And takes LESS desktop space because I push it to the back of the desk. And the USB-C extra monitor I have to plug in to share my screens, because many programs PUKE sharing the big screen. I have grown to appreciate Windows 10. Updates are working better, less likely to hog all available CPU, etc. But I load Classic Shell, and VoidTools Everything, then I turn off Win+S so it runs Everything for me. That Microsoft got me to use Edge (because it's Chromium Based) is a huge win-win. I no longer trust Google/Chrome for things. Have stripped all browsers of knowing ANY passwords (directly), unfortunately, I don't know if we can trust them to handle the pages any more. But I use different browsers for different levels of security (no longer to test compatibility). Would I go back to Windows XP? (No, I love my new setup). But I would love to be able to navigate Control Panel and other items like I could back then. And Classic Shell fixes most of the annoyances for me.
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Windows ME is my vote for the worst ever version of Windows - I "upgraded" my then boss's new laptop from ME to Windows 98, and everything just worked better.
How about Windows Bob, that's got to be a top contender. Up until Windows 10 the normal Microsoft Tick/Tock was good/bad OS. That should have put Windows 10 as a fix for Windows 8, NOT! I just wish that rather than rounding the corners on things, they would actually fix things! It has been over a month since they broke my email, but at least it will have round corners? It's not the version of operating system I don't like, it's their constant breaking of their basic system that I'm tired of.
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I would venture to say that Windows 8 was the "first" step backward... I can't stand Windows 10. The flat design kills me, the plethora of extra processes just to maintain a functional OS is crazy. While I did recently build a Windows 10 machine for myself, since I know that eventually, I will require it, my primary workstation is still a Windows 7 64 bit machine with 32Gb of RAM and a bunch of SSDs in a few RAID configurations. That said, my home networks are well fire-walled, in fact, friends/guests/visitors that require WIFI access get an entirely different router and and gateway. All of my development/testing/work resources are on a separate network from the rest of my home, so as long as I don't do something terribly stupid, the lack of new security updates is not of too much concern to me. If it ever gets to the point that I can't run all of the development tools that I require on W7 64 bit, then I will bite the bullet and transition to the Windows 10 box, but until such a time, Windows 7 still rocks!
Yep, Windows 8 got me started looking seriously at Linux and BSD as alternatives to Windows. I now run MX Linux as my main OS and only boot to Windows 10 for gaming and the occasional photo editing session (I dislike Gimp!). I'd probably be running BSD as my main OS if it had better support for modern hardware.
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My personal assertion is W10 does not need a monster CPU and is quite good... But, however, I cant be really sure... However my CPU however is around a few percent everytime I look at it... so... I have a hard time it is a performance hog....
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wow. what cpu do you have? mine always goes up over time, mainly due to browsers. it returns when i restart it/them. and trying out Uno Platform recently my cpu went into the 70s and 80s (for the first time) and i had to reboot to get everything to calm down. i'm looking for something more heavy duty now. (it could just be a RAM issue. trying to figure out if my machine can take more. i always have a hard time getting info on that.) Current: Intel Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
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wow. what cpu do you have? mine always goes up over time, mainly due to browsers. it returns when i restart it/them. and trying out Uno Platform recently my cpu went into the 70s and 80s (for the first time) and i had to reboot to get everything to calm down. i'm looking for something more heavy duty now. (it could just be a RAM issue. trying to figure out if my machine can take more. i always have a hard time getting info on that.) Current: Intel Core i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
I got DDR4 memory, 16Gb, 512 SSD, and some Ryzen / AMD something cpu
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Super Lloyd wrote:
my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU...
That's my problem with W10. All I really needed was XP + support for modern peripherals + better security (patches, bug fixes, etc.). I did not need all of the cruft that comes with Windows 10, and that requires the "monster modern CPU".
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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Windows NT was popular due to the filesystem it used (NTFS) being more secure in those days. However, once NTFS was no longer considered secure the NT technologies became outdated and less popular. So, windows 7, 8 and 10 replaced it. If you like stand-alone systems that are not internet connected and can remain stable then that is what NT was good for in it's day. You could probably manage that with windows 10 by working out how you could run the OS with a minimal build.
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I would venture to say that Windows 8 was the "first" step backward... I can't stand Windows 10. The flat design kills me, the plethora of extra processes just to maintain a functional OS is crazy. While I did recently build a Windows 10 machine for myself, since I know that eventually, I will require it, my primary workstation is still a Windows 7 64 bit machine with 32Gb of RAM and a bunch of SSDs in a few RAID configurations. That said, my home networks are well fire-walled, in fact, friends/guests/visitors that require WIFI access get an entirely different router and and gateway. All of my development/testing/work resources are on a separate network from the rest of my home, so as long as I don't do something terribly stupid, the lack of new security updates is not of too much concern to me. If it ever gets to the point that I can't run all of the development tools that I require on W7 64 bit, then I will bite the bullet and transition to the Windows 10 box, but until such a time, Windows 7 still rocks!
Even though the author ask about your experience with Windows XP I agree with K Personett Windows 7 is the product that MS should have enhanced and not over engineered I can only make this statement based on past experience with MS OS's namely Windows 95 Windows XP and the nightmare of Windows ME My experience with Windows ME taught me to READ what other professionals thought about a new OS before I blindly upgraded because it was NEW and IMPROVED My biggest complaint was when Microsoft and I had a go around about my copy of Microsoft Office 2003 which I purchased on a DVD They refused to let me install it on a new Widows 7 64 bit machine and accused me of trying to install pirated software after numerous complaint emails to Bill Gates I did not believe someone from MS contacted me and said the problem was fixed Final thought FWIW New is nice if it includes Improvements with out BLOAT and maintains backward comparability with high priced MS Software
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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I prefer Windows 10 UI way over XP, but if we were talking about an OS that uses way less resources historically I would have gone with Windows 2000, for the lightest footprint but still a decent desktop for developing on. Would I want to go back to W2K? heck no. But I do miss it's lightweight install and system requirements, XP was heavy compared to it, W7 nearly gave me shock with the install size. Win10 although heavy in some ways has some pretty good features that I would miss going backwards
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Even though the author ask about your experience with Windows XP I agree with K Personett Windows 7 is the product that MS should have enhanced and not over engineered I can only make this statement based on past experience with MS OS's namely Windows 95 Windows XP and the nightmare of Windows ME My experience with Windows ME taught me to READ what other professionals thought about a new OS before I blindly upgraded because it was NEW and IMPROVED My biggest complaint was when Microsoft and I had a go around about my copy of Microsoft Office 2003 which I purchased on a DVD They refused to let me install it on a new Widows 7 64 bit machine and accused me of trying to install pirated software after numerous complaint emails to Bill Gates I did not believe someone from MS contacted me and said the problem was fixed Final thought FWIW New is nice if it includes Improvements with out BLOAT and maintains backward comparability with high priced MS Software
Windows 7 was the natural evolution of Windows XP. I still use Windows XP virtual machines for running tons of JScripts that mimic xml-http clients that interact with the server products I write/maintain. I use 32 bit XP VMs mainly because the memory requirements are low and it runs well in a sandbox under Hyper-V. I still have some 64 bit XP installations backed up, but no need to run them any more due to the limited usage I require. I don't do any PC based gaming. I spend enough time on computers while working.
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First I have to admit I am a Microsoft apologist and happily jump to each new OS without complain. However.. I went down the memory lane and stumbled on Windows XP. And I though that Windows 10 is so good, why would anyone like XP over W10? However I stumbled on a (2017) pots of someone complaining how W10 was bloating in comparison, running hundred of unwanted and unneeded processes devouring CPU.. and I though I can't really compare.. my W10 certainly runs very fine.. but it's powered by a monster modern CPU... So please come at me with your anecdote why XP is better than W10! I am just curious to see if I can be swayed... EDIT for clarity I believe Windows 10 performance is really good (I have a clean install on my PC not a pre install), but hey, I can't 100% sure... Startup definitely faster for sure.. it's almost instant after bios, unlike like 2 minute for XP back in the days And I think it's relatively easy to launch any program you have installed, I think the current start menu seems leaner than XP with a very quick search box (I think it has changed in that last year or 2)
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