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  • D DerekT P

    Despite my repeated rants about Win10 updates, this has never happened to me! :laugh: As others have noted, however, any links I click on in response to Search (as in searching from the taskbar) always open in Edge, which is a complete pain. For those who accused me of delaying my updates too long and therefore bringing all sorts of woes upon myself, after my "full" update on the 22nd which left me with no Update history... checking just now, a new update history is back (with just the most recent one shown), and shows that Win10 did ANOTHER update on the 24th (which I don't even know about) and it's telling me there are another 2 updates (2021-05 KB4601554 pending restart, and 2021-05 KB5003173 downloading; but that's been on 0% for several minutes now). So 4 updates in 6 days??? :wtf: :omg: :thumbsdown:

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    Gary Wheeler
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    DerekT-P wrote:

    links I click on in response to Search (as in searching from the taskbar)

    That's not something I use. I type names to reach applications, but that's it. If I can't remember where I keep my shit, it's time for me to give it up.

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      No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

      Software Zen: delete this;

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      Delphi 7 Solutions
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      I have some luck with the windows updates also, just the one where you get a BSOD when printing on a kyocera I had. But my file associations where not touched by the updates until now, I have firefox as standard and it remains so after updates. So, you are not that lucky after all with updates :)

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      • G Gary Wheeler

        No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        Daniel Will
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        "Oh, but our native apps are so much better!" whine them.

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        • G Gary Wheeler

          DerekT-P wrote:

          links I click on in response to Search (as in searching from the taskbar)

          That's not something I use. I type names to reach applications, but that's it. If I can't remember where I keep my shit, it's time for me to give it up.

          Software Zen: delete this;

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          DerekT P
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          that's one of the things I hate about Win10. You used to go to Control Panel to control things. Now that's being phased out and who knows how to get to a screen to turn on Bluetooth, or check Update History?? Tell me the name of the app that turns on Bluetooth... All I can do is search "bluetooth" and that generally gives me a link to the correct settings page; but not always! Sometimes it turns out to be a weblink that it opens in Edge. :( I use ClassicShell to give me an XP-style start menu where I can organise stuff the way I want it, but I don't even know how - or if - I can create a shortcut to the bluetooth settings (for example). (I can pin the "tile" but I don't want tiles; I just want a shortcut that I can put where I want)

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          • G Gary Wheeler

            No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

            Software Zen: delete this;

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            KateAshman
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            Edge is better though, that's why I highly recommend it to friends, family and total strangers alike. :D Edit: Chrome eats all the RAM Edge does not and has better privacy and security features

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            • G Gary Wheeler

              No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              Rich Leyshon
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              Another problem seems to have gone away now but for a year or so, every Windows update re-arranged my icons. Okay so, yes, I'm a bad person for having too many icons on my screen but, if I group them together by similar function, I can actually find what I want quickly without trying to remember what something is called and where I stored it (e.g. spreadsheets that I might open 1 or more times a week). Also find that Google Backup & Sync can be a bit sulky after updates and require an extra re-start to all the ones the update asks for. That can be scary e.g yesterday when 2 hours work I did away from home wasn't there on the home PC - but magically re-appeared once it had had a little rest (and well after the icon had finished indicating a sync.)

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              • G Gary Wheeler

                No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                Software Zen: delete this;

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                grralph1
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                Well said. The bit that thoroughly convinced me was the;

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                ....goat-buggering hands off!

                "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  BryanFazekas
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                  Check your PDFs. It seems like every few months, after an update, my file associations for PDF documents gets changed to Edge. At the same time, my associations for MS Office are messed up, so I get messages stating Word or Excel is not the default application for their file types. I fix that ... and it gets unfixed later. Animosity between Office & Windows & Edge teams? :-D

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                    Check your PDFs. It seems like every few months, after an update, my file associations for PDF documents gets changed to Edge. At the same time, my associations for MS Office are messed up, so I get messages stating Word or Excel is not the default application for their file types. I fix that ... and it gets unfixed later. Animosity between Office & Windows & Edge teams? :-D

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                    Gary Wheeler
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                    This happens with my .PDF's as well. Adobe Reader has a pretty slick fix for it though.

                    BryanFazekas wrote:

                    Animosity between Office & Windows & Edge teams?

                    Oh no, say it isn't so! Mommy and Daddy are fighting again! (you'll notice I didn't indicate which team was a mother---)

                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                    • G Gary Wheeler

                      No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                      rnbergren
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                      hasn't happened to me. But I have had to fix my users machines on a very regular schedule. Wrote a powershell script to fix it for them. Put on their desktop. They click and viola it is back.

                      To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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                      • G Gary Wheeler

                        No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                        Michael Butterworth 2021
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                        They keep doing the same with PDF's, we use Adobe Creative Cloud and have fully licenced Adobe DC Pro and Edge keeps taking it over!

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                        • G Gary Wheeler

                          No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                          agolddog
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                          Never had this issue. It does bother me that there's not a chance to defer updates anymore. Doesn't allow for what seems like common events like shutting down on the plane, in a hurry for whatever reason, etc etc.

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                            Never had this issue. It does bother me that there's not a chance to defer updates anymore. Doesn't allow for what seems like common events like shutting down on the plane, in a hurry for whatever reason, etc etc.

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                            Gary Wheeler
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                            agolddog wrote:

                            Doesn't allow for what seems like common events like shutting down on the plane, in a hurry for whatever reason, etc

                            Yes. When they first added the deferral 'feature' it wouldn't allow less than 12 hours of inactive time per day. It really pisses me off when they reboot during a backup, or worse while I'm actually using the machine, with no warning.

                            Software Zen: delete this;

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                            • G Gary Wheeler

                              No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              Martijn Smitshoek
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                              They know it and they don't care. Mint (or your favorite **ix) won't give you that problem, but they all will give you some other problems - which I find less annoying. My next computer installation will not be Windows, despite the fact that I've been using Windows since the 3.0 days. We have p7zip-desktop already. All we need now is a Notepad++ port, and Windows will become some kind of dormant VM somewhere far and deep inside a dusty and rusty cabinet.

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                              • G Gary Wheeler

                                No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                Hooga Booga
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                                I gave in and started using Edge. Not much difference for me.

                                Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx

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                                • G Gary Wheeler

                                  No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                                  honey the codewitch
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                                  You are so lucky. Because I have a Ryzen 7 for reasons I went and installed an older copy of windows 10 i had lying around. It turns out, that particular build hates Ryzen 7's so much it will BSOD within a couple of minutes, with a WDT. Apparently it's a known issue. Well, I sure as heck didn't know until my shiny new machine was absolutely puking itself. I haven't had a Windows experience that bad since ... maybe XP? And that was a hardware problem.

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                                    You are so lucky. Because I have a Ryzen 7 for reasons I went and installed an older copy of windows 10 i had lying around. It turns out, that particular build hates Ryzen 7's so much it will BSOD within a couple of minutes, with a WDT. Apparently it's a known issue. Well, I sure as heck didn't know until my shiny new machine was absolutely puking itself. I haven't had a Windows experience that bad since ... maybe XP? And that was a hardware problem.

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                                    Gary Wheeler
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                                    I will grant my @home computing needs are very vanilla. I don't play games (other than Solitaire), so I'm not subject to the vagaries of high-end graphics adapter drivers. I don't use my machine as a media server or anything like that, so my networking is simple. More pointedly with these types of discussions, my personality is not one that requires I "mark my territory" on my computer by customizing it out the wazoo. I'm sure you recognize what I'm talking about. It's a world-ending tragedy and a flagrant conspiracy against humanity when Microsoft doesn't let you arrange the icons your desktop on 3.176 pixel boundaries in a hexagonal matrix like you prefer. The people who scream the loudest about Windows Update problems always seem to be the ones who configure their machines either < -3σ or > 3σ from the norm for that make/model.

                                    Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      I will grant my @home computing needs are very vanilla. I don't play games (other than Solitaire), so I'm not subject to the vagaries of high-end graphics adapter drivers. I don't use my machine as a media server or anything like that, so my networking is simple. More pointedly with these types of discussions, my personality is not one that requires I "mark my territory" on my computer by customizing it out the wazoo. I'm sure you recognize what I'm talking about. It's a world-ending tragedy and a flagrant conspiracy against humanity when Microsoft doesn't let you arrange the icons your desktop on 3.176 pixel boundaries in a hexagonal matrix like you prefer. The people who scream the loudest about Windows Update problems always seem to be the ones who configure their machines either < -3σ or > 3σ from the norm for that make/model.

                                      Software Zen: delete this;

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                                      honey the codewitch
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                                      My machine was factory though. My only sin was using an old ISO because the ISO that shipped with my machine wasn't working with the product key on the back of it.

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                                        My machine was factory though. My only sin was using an old ISO because the ISO that shipped with my machine wasn't working with the product key on the back of it.

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                                        Gary Wheeler
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                                        One of my many roles as the DSJB (Departmental Shit-Job Boy) is that I create the images used to load Windows on the industrial PC's in our products. All images are (obviously) not the same. I'm guessing that your old ISO was missing some critical piece of processor-specific stuff. At one time Windows had a HAL (hardware abstraction layer), part of the kernel, that tended to be customized for new processors. Since that time they've switched to a micro-kernel approach to things, but I imagine the need for processor-specific bits still exists. For future reference, it's conceivable that AMD has downloadable kernel bits that can be applied during a WinPE (Windows Pre-Installation Environment) session.

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                                        the ISO that shipped with my machine wasn't working with the product key

                                        That is no surprise at all. Microsoft goes through activation schemes like other people go through toilet paper. It is incredibly easy to create a perfect Windows install image that will absolutely refuse to install with the product key hard-coded into the image. The end solution for us was to switch to deferred activation which in essence lets you use the machine unhindered until the first time it connects to the Internet. Since ours are never connected to the Internet, problem solved.

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          No, it didn't break my machine. Unlike so many rant posts about Windows Update here at CP I am one of those who has very, very rarely experienced a problem with a Windows Update. In fact, I think the last time was a Windows 7 update that actually broke my antivirus app's kernel device driver, and caused the machine to BSOD. That said, here's my rant: If I wanted to open .html documents in Edge I'd tell you, you overbearing piece of excrement! Leave my f***ing file associations alone! I. don't. use. Edge. I. use. Chrome. Every :elephant:ing time they update Edge they change the file associations on .html and variants of it to point to Edge. It's not my default browser, so keep your misbegotten, slimy, goat-buggering hands off! There. I feel better now.

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          ormonds
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                                          Yes! I feel better now, someone else has the same experience. I now have one of these macro thingies on my desktop which goes through the process of setting .html back to Chrome and .pdf back to Acrobat. As soon as I did that, of course, it stopped being hijacked. But I am ready.

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