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How many zeroes in a billion?

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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    I would say 9. What say you?

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    Marc Clifton
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    1 zero. 1 billion == 1 gigabyte == 1,073,741,824 bytes ;) At least, that's how I count nowadays. :laugh:

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    • D Daniel Pfeffer

      It depends. The British billion is a million millions, so there are 12 zeroes. The American billion is a thousand millions, so there are 9 zeroes. These days, the American billion is more commonly used than the British billion.

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      Actually British use - officially - the short system like 50 years now... The long system mostly remained in continental Europe... And I asked you :-)

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        I would say 9. What say you?

        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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        OriginalGriff
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        An infinite number, if you count leading zeros.

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          I would say 9. What say you?

          "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            Actually British use - officially - the short system like 50 years now... The long system mostly remained in continental Europe... And I asked you :-)

            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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            Daniel Pfeffer
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            Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              I would say 9. What say you?

              "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              How many would you like? Short count == 1,000,000,000 == 9 Long count == 1,000,000,000,000 == 12 Very long count == 1,0000,0000,0000,0000 == 16

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                I would say 9. What say you?

                "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                OriginalGriff
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                2 (possibly 3 if you count the leading one): 0x3B9ACA00

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  I would say 9. What say you?

                  "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                  Kris Lantz
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                  None, Sir, that's an 'o'.

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    I would say 9. What say you?

                    "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                    Jorgen Andersson
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                    Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

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                      Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

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                      Add six zeroes for every step in size

                      Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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                      • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

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                        Add six zeroes for every step in size

                        Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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                        Jorgen Andersson
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                        Well, yes I can. You don't have to agree, but that's another story. :-)

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          I would say 9. What say you?

                          "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                          Lost User
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                          A billion of what?

                          It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            I would say 9. What say you?

                            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                            Nelek
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                            In Spain and Germany (and AFAIK another countries in the EU) one billion are 12 zeros

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                              Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

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                              Nelek
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                              I had actually thought that the metric was squaring them... Million = A thousand times thousand Billion = A million times a million Trillion = A billion times a billion ;P :laugh:

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                              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                I would say 9. What say you?

                                "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

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                                  Add six zeroes for every step in size

                                  Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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                                  Nelek
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                                  Mircea Neacsu wrote:

                                  Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18

                                  Quad = 4 times as many... Quadrillion = 10^24 Having 12 zeros for a billion is more consistent with the posterior numbers than having 9 zeros.

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                                    I had actually thought that the metric was squaring them... Million = A thousand times thousand Billion = A million times a million Trillion = A billion times a billion ;P :laugh:

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                                    No. Not squaring. Raising to the power. Billion=Bi million=million^2=10^12 zeros total Trillion=Tri million=million^3=10^18 zeros total Quadrillion=Quad million=million^4=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) You can think of it more easily using geometry. Assuming that your geometric shapes have all sides identical, and one side corresponds to one million (which is your base unit and has six zeros), a: triangle=tri angle=three times the side=10^18 zeros total quadrangle=quad angle=four times the side=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) I don't mention a "biangle" because that does not exist :P

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                                    • Mircea NeacsuM Mircea Neacsu

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                                      Add six zeroes for every step in size

                                      Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      No, not adding six. Either add three (short count) or double (long count).

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        I would say 9. What say you?

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                                        9 10 so 1 can suffice

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                                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                          Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

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                                          Our government has also reported figures in terms of "billions", and then been unable to clarify which definition they were using. :doh: :laugh:


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