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How many zeroes in a billion?

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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    I would say 9. What say you?

    "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

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    • J Jorgen Andersson

      Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      Mircea Neacsu
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      Add six zeroes for every step in size

      Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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      • M Mircea Neacsu

        Quote:

        Add six zeroes for every step in size

        Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

        Mircea

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        Jorgen Andersson
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        Well, yes I can. You don't have to agree, but that's another story. :-)

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          I would say 9. What say you?

          "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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          Lost User
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          A billion of what?

          It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            I would say 9. What say you?

            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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            Nelek
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            In Spain and Germany (and AFAIK another countries in the EU) one billion are 12 zeros

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            • J Jorgen Andersson

              Long count is more logical. Add six zeroes for every step in size Million - 1 000 000 Billion - 1 000 000 000 000 Trillion - 1 000 000 000 000 000 000

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              Nelek
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              I had actually thought that the metric was squaring them... Million = A thousand times thousand Billion = A million times a million Trillion = A billion times a billion ;P :laugh:

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                I would say 9. What say you?

                "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                Slacker007
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                Why Make Trillions When We Can Make Billions? - YouTube[^] marker 3:45 :laugh:

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                • M Mircea Neacsu

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                  Add six zeroes for every step in size

                  Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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                  Nelek
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                  Mircea Neacsu wrote:

                  Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18

                  Quad = 4 times as many... Quadrillion = 10^24 Having 12 zeros for a billion is more consistent with the posterior numbers than having 9 zeros.

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                  • N Nelek

                    I had actually thought that the metric was squaring them... Million = A thousand times thousand Billion = A million times a million Trillion = A billion times a billion ;P :laugh:

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                    ElectronProgrammer
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                    No. Not squaring. Raising to the power. Billion=Bi million=million^2=10^12 zeros total Trillion=Tri million=million^3=10^18 zeros total Quadrillion=Quad million=million^4=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) You can think of it more easily using geometry. Assuming that your geometric shapes have all sides identical, and one side corresponds to one million (which is your base unit and has six zeros), a: triangle=tri angle=three times the side=10^18 zeros total quadrangle=quad angle=four times the side=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) I don't mention a "biangle" because that does not exist :P

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                    • M Mircea Neacsu

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                      Add six zeroes for every step in size

                      Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

                      Mircea

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      No, not adding six. Either add three (short count) or double (long count).

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        I would say 9. What say you?

                        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                        9 10 so 1 can suffice

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                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                          Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

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                          Richard Deeming
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                          Our government has also reported figures in terms of "billions", and then been unable to clarify which definition they were using. :doh: :laugh:


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                          • D Daniel Pfeffer

                            Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

                            Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                            The British 10^9 billion is used for financial values (esp. by the Government); the British 10^12 billion is still more common outside of finance. The advice is never use the word Billion, use 10^9 / 10^12; or, when talking to 'ordinary' people use thousand million / million million. Same for Trillions etc. The generic 'gazillion' can be used without clarification as it just means an extraordinarily large amount.

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                            • M Marc Clifton

                              1 zero. 1 billion == 1 gigabyte == 1,073,741,824 bytes ;) At least, that's how I count nowadays. :laugh:

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                              Daniel Pfeffer
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                              IOW, a "billion" has 11110 zeroes

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                              • S Slacker007

                                "billion" has no zeros. Zero zeros. :-D

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                                Wizard of Sleeves
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                                I don't know, let me look at my bank account.

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                                • E ElectronProgrammer

                                  No. Not squaring. Raising to the power. Billion=Bi million=million^2=10^12 zeros total Trillion=Tri million=million^3=10^18 zeros total Quadrillion=Quad million=million^4=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) You can think of it more easily using geometry. Assuming that your geometric shapes have all sides identical, and one side corresponds to one million (which is your base unit and has six zeros), a: triangle=tri angle=three times the side=10^18 zeros total quadrangle=quad angle=four times the side=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) I don't mention a "biangle" because that does not exist :P

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                                  ElectronProgrammer wrote:

                                  No. Not squaring. Raising to the power.

                                  You did notize the joke icon, didn't you? ;P

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                                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                    I would say 9. What say you?

                                    "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                    maze3
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                                    17 zeros 111011100110101100101000000000

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                                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                      I would say 9. What say you?

                                      "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                      Fueled By Decaff
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                                      Nan 1 billion / 0 = NaN

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        I would say 9. What say you?

                                        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                        Kiriander
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                                        Exactly one, as in 10^x. Or none with Ex.

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                                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                          Our government has also reported figures in terms of "billions", and then been unable to clarify which definition they were using. :doh: :laugh:


                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                          musefan
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                                          That's because our government is really intelligent. Though I am unable to confirm which definition of intelligent I am using.

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