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How many zeroes in a billion?

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  • M Mircea Neacsu

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    Add six zeroes for every step in size

    Argument against: other scales change prefix every three zeros (kilo, mega, giga, etc.) Another argument for: "bi" - twice as many, hence 12, "tri" three times as many, hence 18 You can choose one side but it's hard to argue that's more "logical".

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    No, not adding six. Either add three (short count) or double (long count).

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      I would say 9. What say you?

      "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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      9 10 so 1 can suffice

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      • D Daniel Pfeffer

        Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

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        Our government has also reported figures in terms of "billions", and then been unable to clarify which definition they were using. :doh: :laugh:


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        • D Daniel Pfeffer

          Yes, the British Government has used 1 billion == 1,000,000,000 since 1974. It's been at least that long since I last read (or believed) any statistics released by the British Government. :)

          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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          The British 10^9 billion is used for financial values (esp. by the Government); the British 10^12 billion is still more common outside of finance. The advice is never use the word Billion, use 10^9 / 10^12; or, when talking to 'ordinary' people use thousand million / million million. Same for Trillions etc. The generic 'gazillion' can be used without clarification as it just means an extraordinarily large amount.

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          • M Marc Clifton

            1 zero. 1 billion == 1 gigabyte == 1,073,741,824 bytes ;) At least, that's how I count nowadays. :laugh:

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            Daniel Pfeffer
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            IOW, a "billion" has 11110 zeroes

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            • S Slacker007

              "billion" has no zeros. Zero zeros. :-D

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              Wizard of Sleeves
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              I don't know, let me look at my bank account.

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              • E ElectronProgrammer

                No. Not squaring. Raising to the power. Billion=Bi million=million^2=10^12 zeros total Trillion=Tri million=million^3=10^18 zeros total Quadrillion=Quad million=million^4=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) You can think of it more easily using geometry. Assuming that your geometric shapes have all sides identical, and one side corresponds to one million (which is your base unit and has six zeros), a: triangle=tri angle=three times the side=10^18 zeros total quadrangle=quad angle=four times the side=10^24 zeros total ...(and so on) I don't mention a "biangle" because that does not exist :P

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                ElectronProgrammer wrote:

                No. Not squaring. Raising to the power.

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  I would say 9. What say you?

                  "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                  17 zeros 111011100110101100101000000000

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    I would say 9. What say you?

                    "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                    Fueled By Decaff
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                    Nan 1 billion / 0 = NaN

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      I would say 9. What say you?

                      "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                      Kiriander
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                      Exactly one, as in 10^x. Or none with Ex.

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                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                        Our government has also reported figures in terms of "billions", and then been unable to clarify which definition they were using. :doh: :laugh:


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                        musefan
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                        That's because our government is really intelligent. Though I am unable to confirm which definition of intelligent I am using.

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          I would say 9. What say you?

                          "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                          Chris Losinger
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                          that's not a zero, it's a lowercase 'O'

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            I would say 9. What say you?

                            "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                            Browsing through the answers I still think 9 is the best solution. Just a couple of Why: 1 - jives with scientific incrementation of values: every three orders of magnitude. 2 - much easier to say "billion" vs "thousand million", for example This isn't about taking sides for national pride - it's about very consistent usage across multiple domains of information. I live in a Fahrenheit country but water boils at 100C to me (for example). If you like these other forms, then why not remain consistent and write 1000,000000 instead of 1,000,000,000 (commas or dots as you prefer) ? There are always alternatives and fans for them, nationalistic and otherwise, but the three-per-block is more sensible.

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              I would say 9. What say you?

                              "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                              Gary Wheeler
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                              • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                It depends. The British billion is a million millions, so there are 12 zeroes. The American billion is a thousand millions, so there are 9 zeroes. These days, the American billion is more commonly used than the British billion.

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                                No kilomillion? The simple answer has been hanging around right under their noses this whole time.

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                                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                  I would say 9. What say you?

                                  "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                  12 - it makes the most sense numerically and linguistically ...but I live in third world Texas, where such criteria is ungodly.

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                                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                    I would say 9. What say you?

                                    "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                    Zuoliu Ding
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                                    Hex: 3B9ACA00 DEC: 1000000000 OCT: 7346545000 BIN: 00111011100110101100101000000000

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                                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                      I would say 9. What say you?

                                      "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                      Lost User
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                                      I say a parlement.

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        I would say 9. What say you?

                                        "The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012

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                                        ormonds
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                                        Reminds me of an old joke. A certain US President was told that three Brazilian soldiers had died in a peacekeeping effort. He looked shocked, and after a while said "Remind me, how many is a Brazilian?"

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                                        • J jochance

                                          No kilomillion? The simple answer has been hanging around right under their noses this whole time.

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                                          James Lonero
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                                          Using SI units: Giga for 1,000,000,000 (9 zeros) and Tera for 1,000,000,000,000 (12 zeros)

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