I'm looking to hire a "junior" programmer.
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Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
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Thanks for the tip but i'd really like the person on site
Repo Man
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10 years ago Fortran was getting posting for juniors to learn because the upcoming cliff drop of retiring out of those developers. when hiring - you can promote VB6, in 10 years, will be paying higher value for youngish experienced developers because that job pool will be dropping off and lots of cash cow products rely on it, and easier maintained then replaced.
that's a great idea. I'll use it.
Repo Man
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I'm curious. What is the program for? I learned VB as my first programming language. If working remotely is an option, maybe I can help, even rewriting the application in a modern language. :D
Sadly, the boss won't consider working remote -- yet. Rewriting in a modern language, except for the website which I'm doing in VB.Net Web Forms, is out. I will keep you in mind however
Repo Man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
$35k was lowball for a junior spot in The Middle of Nowhere Pennsylvania 16 years ago. Today and having to pay city cost of living... :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Junior programmers aren't learning VB6. They're learning C#, Python, and Javascript.
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Repo Man
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$35k was lowball for a junior spot in The Middle of Nowhere Pennsylvania 16 years ago. Today and having to pay city cost of living... :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
Believe me, I get it.
Repo Man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
I agree with others, I don't believe your chances of getting a local programmer at that salary are good, and if this person is any good, they will not be staying. However, you might find a retired person who's looking for extra cash, especially if the position is remote. Unfortunately, that leaves the boss in the same situation, having an older person who could die or re-retire at any time. I suggest you have a conversation with your boss, and bring up all the points you mentioned. He has a serious problem, having what sounds like an important or even critical program written in a dead language. He's sitting on a time bomb whose timer is ticking steadily downward. If the conversation goes badly or the boss simply refuses to accept reality, there's nothing more you can do. Good luck and perseverance!
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
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Yet if you hire remotely, $35k / year will get you someone with 5-10+ years experience :p Bad pay in the US is often extremely good pay in many other countries.
-= Reelix =-
There are businesses where hiring off-shore isn't an option.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
While I agree with other commenters that you won't get anyone good with any experience for that price tag, you might try hiring a recent high school graduate that went to vocational school (Technical Education) for programming and expect to direct him to self train on VB.net and take some of your time learning to code. Not to put a damper on your ideas, but we just had to pay 120K for someone with an AD who tested extremely well and so far seems very bright.
Dave B
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Talk to the CS/CIS instructors in your area. It could very well be an opportunity for an internship/apprenticeship for some 'undeveloped' future rockstar. :-D In a way, migrating a solid, working application is a perfect opportunity for an entry level position...it allows one to focus more on the language and not the business logic. That part will come later from all the debugging/testing/dogfooding they will be doing. :)
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
"Lurch" your boss. That proposition is untenable, even after reading all the replies below. If he is your friend and cannot understand the position he is in, he is doomed to be stuck anyway. Anyway, your better bet is a senior programmer looking to retire in an "adventurous" town on the "sexy" gulf coast who thinks hurricanes are a thing of the past and retirement with some income with evening sailing is the cat's meow. Drive home the Mardi Gras home seat option.
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Sadly, the boss won't consider working remote -- yet. Rewriting in a modern language, except for the website which I'm doing in VB.Net Web Forms, is out. I will keep you in mind however
Repo Man
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Sadly, the boss won't consider working remote -- yet. Rewriting in a modern language, except for the website which I'm doing in VB.Net Web Forms, is out. I will keep you in mind however
Repo Man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Because VB6 has been "dead" for so long (yes, I know it isn't really dead yet) you will struggle to get experienced staff - and if you do manage to find someone then they either won't be "junior" OR won't be as knowledgeable about VB6 as they claim to be. My second-from-last contract was with VB6 and I got to charge 25k over the going rate because of my knowledge and experience of VB6 (and VB3 - just don't ask). I got the job through my professional networking. I'd be very wary of using any of the "hire a programmer here" websites - quality is not guaranteed. If it was me, I would reach out to 2 or 3 recruitment agencies using something like LinkedIn to identity them. Or as others have said, use this as an opportunity to rewrite to .NET - you probably still won't get the expertise at that pay grade but an opportunity to bring a junior up to speed, who is likely to have used VB.NET or C# at college/Uni.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Sad to say but whenever I hear the words "Junior Programmer" my mind immediately goes to "Looking for someone cheap but experienced". I don't think that applies in your case. If you really want someone that can learn your code and take over for you I'd say hire an experienced programmer and pay the market price. An experienced programmer will learn what ever language is needed in a short period of time and learn your code base as well.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
You're going to pay ~60% of the market rate for the opportunity of working in a language which offers them no future? Sure, you'll be able to hire someone . That person will be someone who's not in the field, but wants to break in from outside. You might get lucky and find a smart person who's diligent and willing to learn. Not sure how to select for those attributes, but I imagine that's what you want to be on the lookout for. Good luck.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
Hire me. I have 30 years of experience VB included.
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First: I hate my boss and am looking to move to another job because he micro-manages me, and knows nothing about programming. Second: He's one of my best friends, and I don't want to leave him in the lurch. Third: As I am older, and with the pandemic raging, and the way people drive in New Orleans, I could die at any time. Having said that, I have gotten him to agree to hire some younger programmer, so that that guy and I could do some"Team Programming" together, and I could teach him my code, and he could eventually take over, when I die or get a new job, whichever comes first. The job would pay around 35K per year. The program is written is VB6, but if I could find someone that is familiar with VB.Net getting him up to speed would be easy. So, two questions. Do you think I have a chance of finding someone at that pay level, since 60K to 65K if the going rate here, for really experienced programmers? Second question, is there a particular web site that I should use? In other words, where do you go when looking for a job? Any help, that doesn't criticize VB6 (I started writing this program in 1980), would be sincerely appreciated.
Repo man
You might be better off finding a retired programmer willing to work part time. Someone with experience working part time will likely be as productive if not more so than someone without experience working full time. The challenge will be finding someone who can tolerate a micro manager. I know if I were in that position it would be a serious challenge for me.
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