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  • D dbrenth

    My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

    230 - 220 x 0.5

    and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

    Brent

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    CPallini
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    You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

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    • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

      I think it was meant as a riddle rather than something that actually happened.

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      dandy72
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      Sometimes I'm just being a little bit too literal. Daniel's answer above suggests we're both on the same page on this one. :-)

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      • D dbrenth

        My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

        230 - 220 x 0.5

        and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

        Brent

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        obermd
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        The answer is 120. The way you get "5" is via a flaw in all four function calculators that don't follow basic math order of operations. By the way, the Windows calculator in Standard mode has this same flaw but it works properly in scientific mode.

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          dbrenth wrote:

          Can you please explain it to him?

          Dear Teacher, dbrenth is a cocky little so and so, who needs to be taken down a peg or two. ;P

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          obermd
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          And marked down for not completing the solution.

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          • C CPallini

            You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

            "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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            Fueled By Decaff
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            I thought the answer was 78.

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            • F Fueled By Decaff

              I thought the answer was 78.

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              CPallini
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              42. :-D

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              • D dandy72

                Sometimes I'm just being a little bit too literal. Daniel's answer above suggests we're both on the same page on this one. :-)

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                Greg Utas
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                Yeah, you're both on the AR page. :-D

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                • D Daniel Pfeffer

                  Octal

                  Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                  CPallini
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                  Bravo!

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                  • C CPallini

                    You teacher was right, and told you the correct result was actually 76. Could you please tell us why?

                    "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    Octal

                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                      You are wrong, the teacher is right. The order of precedence in mathematical operations is (mnemonic PEMDAS): Parentheses Exponentiation Multiplication & Division Addition & Subtraction If two operations have the same precedence, they are evaluated from left to right. Your problem may be rewritten as 230 - (220 x 0.5), the answer to which is obviously not 5.

                      Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                      3! - 1 I think you'll find :) It's curious - nearly everyone I know was taught BODMAS - its the same as PEDMAS, but B=Brackets, O="of". PEDMAS is probably better. Also the great Indian chief "SOH-CAH-TOA". I wonder if they still teach the latter in schools.

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                      • D dbrenth

                        My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                        230 - 220 x 0.5

                        and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                        Brent

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                        Rick York
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                        If you solve it left-to-right, ignoring precedence order, then the answer is 5. An old TI calculator would give you that answer. Today's windows calculator will not: it says 120 because the multiplication is done first.

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                        • Greg UtasG Greg Utas

                          Yeah, you're both on the AR page. :-D

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                          dandy72
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                          :-D

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                          • D dbrenth

                            My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                            230 - 220 x 0.5

                            and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                            Brent

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                            And today you learn that nobody likes a smartarse ... :laugh:

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                              And today you learn that nobody likes a smartarse ... :laugh:

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                              DRHuff
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                              OriginalGriff wrote:

                              nobody likes a smartarse

                              Maybe he should brace himself for the reactions to come?

                              If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.

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                              • D dandy72

                                I thought about that...but who provides answers as a factorial?

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                                CPallini
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                                Bernoulli?

                                "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                                • D dbrenth

                                  My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                                  230 - 220 x 0.5

                                  and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                                  Brent

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                                  Chris Maunder
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                                  Very clever :thumbsup:

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  • C CPallini

                                    42. :-D

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                                    Lost User
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                                    42! Looks as windoze coders are lacking kindergartner knowledge of math ... no wonder "fake news " are taking over the world

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                                    • K Keith Barrow

                                      3! - 1 I think you'll find :) It's curious - nearly everyone I know was taught BODMAS - its the same as PEDMAS, but B=Brackets, O="of". PEDMAS is probably better. Also the great Indian chief "SOH-CAH-TOA". I wonder if they still teach the latter in schools.

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                                      I hadn't heard of PEDMAS before; I'm guessing it's some kind of Hollywood holiday.

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                                      • D dbrenth

                                        My teacher asked me to write a program on the board and solve it. I wrote:

                                        230 - 220 x 0.5

                                        and announced that the answer was 5! My teacher claimed I was incorrect, but I was not. Can you please explain it to him? Thanks Hint: My teacher was quite embarrassed when I actually said the answer out loud.

                                        Brent

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                                        Bob Beechey
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                                        The teacher was not embarrassed but shocked that any student could be so wrong. The division MUST be carried out before the subtraction. 230 – 220 × 0.5 = 230 – 110 = 120. Try it in any scientific calculator or programming language. You are alone (I hope) in thinking the answer is 5. Are you perhaps joking?

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                                        • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                          You are wrong, the teacher is right. The order of precedence in mathematical operations is (mnemonic PEMDAS): Parentheses Exponentiation Multiplication & Division Addition & Subtraction If two operations have the same precedence, they are evaluated from left to right. Your problem may be rewritten as 230 - (220 x 0.5), the answer to which is obviously not 5.

                                          Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                                          AnthonyLondon
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                                          You write "the answer to which is obviously not 5". Nobody ever said that. The OP sais that he "announced that the answer was 5!". Do you see the difference? The exclamation mark. The answer is 5! (five factorial) and 5!=5*4*3*2*1=120 so 5! is the correct answer :-)

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