Well that seemed like a bit of a waste...
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SeeSharp2 wrote:
If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad.
What makes you think that? My perception (and I may be wrong) is that there seems to be no way to predict if a particular person's response to Covid will be marginal or fatal. (Other than those with significant pre-existing conditions, especially those with respiratory conditions). Last week I met two friends I've not seen for a couple of years. One is 78, and has not been in great health for many years. He had Covid 18 months ago, and had a couple of short spells in hospital over a four week period. After that he's been absolutely fine. The other is a 19-year old student, physically (and mentally) fit. He had Covid 18 months ago. He wasn't hospitalised, but remains unwell and had to drop out of Uni studies for a year. He gets out of breath walking up a slight incline, and some days cannot get out of bed. He's hoping to resume studies remotely this year but isn't too optimistic about being able to do so. If you're an average, "healthy" adult it seems to be virtually random whether you feel slightly under the weather for a couple of days, have a severe illness, suffer ongoing symptoms for months, or die. The more time goes on and the fewer non-vaccinated people there are, the more stories we see in the (UK) press about people dying of Covid and, from their deathbed, urging "non-believers" to get vaccinated. I for one don't see it as a waste of time getting a shot once every 6 months if it may keep me from a fatal disease. It's a bit like saying "What?! I have to use my seatbelt for every car trip?!"
DerekT-P wrote:
What makes you think that?
Very few people that I have seen get Covid (which is a lot) have had anything severe. In fact, I think covid already went through our family but we weren't tested.
DerekT-P wrote:
If you're an average, "healthy" adult it seems to be virtually random
That has not been my experience but your point is valid.
DerekT-P wrote:
It's a bit like saying "What?! I have to use my seatbelt for every car trip?!"
Not quite. We don't inject ourselves with something that could kill us or make us sick when we put on a seatbelt. A seat belt is a passive aid, whereas the vaccine is an active one with potential negative consequences.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
If you look at the COVID Live Update: 209,172,688 Cases and 4,391,012 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer[^] you will notice that the US is the leader, I wonder why? We do not have the highest population. We have excellent health care. We are better fed then most. We have access to the most advanced drugs. Could it be because; We don't want to be herded and forced to get a vaccine? As some I know profess; I've done my research and masks are not effective? I'm not a sheeple, I'm going to go on as if nothing is the matter? Everybody else is wearing a mask so I don't have to, I'm protected? Get the damn shot.
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So, where did this bit of data originate?
Stupid newspapers. When scientists write their papers on clinical studies, they write that the people in the study has retained their antibodies for four months. Newspapers then scream, "Antibodies last only four months!!!" They have learned now though, in last paper I read they wrote that people in their trial retained their antibodies at least six months. But the damage is already done I'm afraid. :sigh:
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
SeeSharp2 wrote:
And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
Sigh! :doh: Natural immunity is when you can't be infected with viruses whose normal host is a cactus. That happens for example when your cells receptors are incompatible with the virus. Normally you retain antibodies for up to 18 months. You can't keep antibodies against every disease you have been exposed to during your life, your blood would get to thick. Therefore we have something really nifty called "memory B-cells" that remembers the decease and will start mass producing antibodies next time you get infected. These B-cells normally functions for approx 20years, or up to a lifetime for certain deceases. There is no reason to believe this will work differently for Covid. No matter what you read in some newspapers. When you're freshly jabbed or really recently have been sick, many people will have so many antibodies that you will have so called sterilising immunity. You won't notice you got infected and also probably aren't infections. Later you will get sick, but your immune system (memory cells) will recognize it immediately and start killing it off before you get badly sick. It will be more like a cold. When you get old, the immune system will not work as well as it used to, just like the rest of your body :( , and you might need booster shots.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
the Delta variant is hitting the young hard when they get it
I have heard the death rate of the young is somewhere around .01% or something like that.
The correlation between mortality and age is extreme for this decease.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
So I'm not allowed to be rude in this forum so consider yourself castigated for being a fool. Even if you don't believe/care yourself then get the second shot for the rest of us. Or just stay at home - permanently.
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So I'm not allowed to be rude in this forum so consider yourself castigated for being a fool. Even if you don't believe/care yourself then get the second shot for the rest of us. Or just stay at home - permanently.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Even those who are fully vaccinated can catch it and pass it on, and can be asymptomatic. This will be the case forever, given that it's a coronavirus and therefore ends up having many variants, like the cold or the flu. So your castigation is inappropriate. If you're so scared, you're the one who should consider staying at home.
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Even those who are fully vaccinated can catch it and pass it on, and can be asymptomatic. This will be the case forever, given that it's a coronavirus and therefore ends up having many variants, like the cold or the flu. So your castigation is inappropriate. If you're so scared, you're the one who should consider staying at home.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.I live in an area, Cairns Oz, where we have had 1*3 day lock down since the start of the pandemic so scared is not the issue. Common decency is to reduce (note: not eliminate) the exposure of the community. Not wearing a mask or isolating when required and not getting vaccinated is just bloody selfish.
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It's amazing that herd immunity is accepted throughout the medical community, except for this single virus.
Herd immunity is very much a thing, but it can only work against specific (or similar) strains. Hence, the flu virus has thousands of variants, and they select which they think are going to be most prevalent/dangerous in society for a particular year and vaccinate against those each year.
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So, where did this bit of data originate?
It's probably factually true for what they know. In another year they might be able to say it's good for 16-18 months, and a year after that for 28-30 months etc. How will they really know until Covid's been around long enough.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
SeeSharp2 wrote:
It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen.
Is it really such a huge leap from an annual flu shot to a biannual Covid booster shot?
SeeSharp2 wrote:
I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad.
I'm not sure it's worth me sticking to the speed limit through the school zone. If I do run into a child, it's unlikely to injure me. :doh:
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SeeSharp2 wrote:
It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen.
Is it really such a huge leap from an annual flu shot to a biannual Covid booster shot?
SeeSharp2 wrote:
I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad.
I'm not sure it's worth me sticking to the speed limit through the school zone. If I do run into a child, it's unlikely to injure me. :doh:
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Well said Richard - I see his/her account has been disabled
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
Local authorities here estimates the protection period a bit longer, up to a year.
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I live in an area, Cairns Oz, where we have had 1*3 day lock down since the start of the pandemic so scared is not the issue. Common decency is to reduce (note: not eliminate) the exposure of the community. Not wearing a mask or isolating when required and not getting vaccinated is just bloody selfish.
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Your area is blessed, unlike Victoria, which must have a staggering number of bloody selfish bastards.
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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AFAIK, no user has the power to disable an account. If it was closed due to abuse reports, it would show as closed, not disabled. I suspect one of the hamsters has put him in a "time out" for some reason.
Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot ...
You'd hope that by the time the booster shots are needed, they would be available from your local GP, or even in your local pharmacy, in the same way as flu shots are currently. Having said that, I've seen how well our lot have coped... :~
Sander Rossel wrote:
... that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me ...
But potentially a very big deal for any elderly or vulnerable people you might pass it on to. Take whatever chances you want with your own health. But when your choices affect other people's health, then we have a problem.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Just get the second dose and any boosters. It's the correct thing to do!
Is it? Maybe. Why? (In your opinion) I never have gotten the seasonal flu virus and when he told me how long this stuff lasts, I thought of the regular flu.
Every report I have seen from folks that got Covid, the effects were serious, and the lingering effects were very serious in those that survived. To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots. Additionally, the chance of contraction and spreading Covid to others, were greatly reduced after having the shots. Finally, wear a mask any time you are in contact with other people. Is that "passive" enough for you?
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Nobody has enough data yet to say what the protection period is: the first jabs were only administered in December last year! And the same goes for "natural immunity" - we don't have sufficient data yet to say what to expect. Remember, none of the jabs are 100% effective, and they all need a 2nd jab booster to reach their maximum effectiveness. Your "good reaction" / "oh my gawd, get an ambulance!" is uncertain - a lot of the data is indicating that the Delta variant is hitting the young hard when they get it, harder than it hits the elderly, so it's going to depend on which version(s) you might come in contact with. You've had the first, get the second. I can tell you from personal experience that you don't want this, and that you really don't want to give it to your loved ones. As I sit here, Herself has just turned on her oxygen machine on so it sounds like the road is being dug up outside - and that's because Covid hit her lungs really badly. And she wasn't hit badly enough to need hospital when she got it ... and gave it to me ...
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Every report I have seen from folks that got Covid, the effects were serious, and the lingering effects were very serious in those that survived. To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots. Additionally, the chance of contraction and spreading Covid to others, were greatly reduced after having the shots. Finally, wear a mask any time you are in contact with other people. Is that "passive" enough for you?
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To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots.
Selective interviewing by the merchants of doom porn. It's certainly serious for some, but not for most, and many are asymptomatic. But those in the latter categories make for boring fare.
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