Well that seemed like a bit of a waste...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
the Delta variant is hitting the young hard when they get it
I have heard the death rate of the young is somewhere around .01% or something like that.
The correlation between mortality and age is extreme for this decease.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
So I'm not allowed to be rude in this forum so consider yourself castigated for being a fool. Even if you don't believe/care yourself then get the second shot for the rest of us. Or just stay at home - permanently.
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So I'm not allowed to be rude in this forum so consider yourself castigated for being a fool. Even if you don't believe/care yourself then get the second shot for the rest of us. Or just stay at home - permanently.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
Even those who are fully vaccinated can catch it and pass it on, and can be asymptomatic. This will be the case forever, given that it's a coronavirus and therefore ends up having many variants, like the cold or the flu. So your castigation is inappropriate. If you're so scared, you're the one who should consider staying at home.
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Even those who are fully vaccinated can catch it and pass it on, and can be asymptomatic. This will be the case forever, given that it's a coronavirus and therefore ends up having many variants, like the cold or the flu. So your castigation is inappropriate. If you're so scared, you're the one who should consider staying at home.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.I live in an area, Cairns Oz, where we have had 1*3 day lock down since the start of the pandemic so scared is not the issue. Common decency is to reduce (note: not eliminate) the exposure of the community. Not wearing a mask or isolating when required and not getting vaccinated is just bloody selfish.
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It's amazing that herd immunity is accepted throughout the medical community, except for this single virus.
Herd immunity is very much a thing, but it can only work against specific (or similar) strains. Hence, the flu virus has thousands of variants, and they select which they think are going to be most prevalent/dangerous in society for a particular year and vaccinate against those each year.
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So, where did this bit of data originate?
It's probably factually true for what they know. In another year they might be able to say it's good for 16-18 months, and a year after that for 28-30 months etc. How will they really know until Covid's been around long enough.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
SeeSharp2 wrote:
It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen.
Is it really such a huge leap from an annual flu shot to a biannual Covid booster shot?
SeeSharp2 wrote:
I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad.
I'm not sure it's worth me sticking to the speed limit through the school zone. If I do run into a child, it's unlikely to injure me. :doh:
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SeeSharp2 wrote:
It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen.
Is it really such a huge leap from an annual flu shot to a biannual Covid booster shot?
SeeSharp2 wrote:
I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad.
I'm not sure it's worth me sticking to the speed limit through the school zone. If I do run into a child, it's unlikely to injure me. :doh:
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Well said Richard - I see his/her account has been disabled
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
Local authorities here estimates the protection period a bit longer, up to a year.
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I live in an area, Cairns Oz, where we have had 1*3 day lock down since the start of the pandemic so scared is not the issue. Common decency is to reduce (note: not eliminate) the exposure of the community. Not wearing a mask or isolating when required and not getting vaccinated is just bloody selfish.
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Your area is blessed, unlike Victoria, which must have a staggering number of bloody selfish bastards.
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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That seems extreme, he got his shot, wasn't necessarily against it, but was simply questioning whether it's worth it. Can't say I disagree with him. An annual flu shot for the elderly is not the same as a biannual COVID shot for an entire population. Getting a shot that may have severe side effects is also not the same as sticking to the speed limit or wearing a seat belt. I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me, every six months, possibly twice. He wasn't rude or anything, just asking a question. This seems more like cancel culture or political censorship, agree with us or be banned :~
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AFAIK, no user has the power to disable an account. If it was closed due to abuse reports, it would show as closed, not disabled. I suspect one of the hamsters has put him in a "time out" for some reason.
Sander Rossel wrote:
I'm also not keen on driving an hour to get a shot ...
You'd hope that by the time the booster shots are needed, they would be available from your local GP, or even in your local pharmacy, in the same way as flu shots are currently. Having said that, I've seen how well our lot have coped... :~
Sander Rossel wrote:
... that protects me against something that likely isn't going to be a big deal for me ...
But potentially a very big deal for any elderly or vulnerable people you might pass it on to. Take whatever chances you want with your own health. But when your choices affect other people's health, then we have a problem.
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Slacker007 wrote:
Just get the second dose and any boosters. It's the correct thing to do!
Is it? Maybe. Why? (In your opinion) I never have gotten the seasonal flu virus and when he told me how long this stuff lasts, I thought of the regular flu.
Every report I have seen from folks that got Covid, the effects were serious, and the lingering effects were very serious in those that survived. To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots. Additionally, the chance of contraction and spreading Covid to others, were greatly reduced after having the shots. Finally, wear a mask any time you are in contact with other people. Is that "passive" enough for you?
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Nobody has enough data yet to say what the protection period is: the first jabs were only administered in December last year! And the same goes for "natural immunity" - we don't have sufficient data yet to say what to expect. Remember, none of the jabs are 100% effective, and they all need a 2nd jab booster to reach their maximum effectiveness. Your "good reaction" / "oh my gawd, get an ambulance!" is uncertain - a lot of the data is indicating that the Delta variant is hitting the young hard when they get it, harder than it hits the elderly, so it's going to depend on which version(s) you might come in contact with. You've had the first, get the second. I can tell you from personal experience that you don't want this, and that you really don't want to give it to your loved ones. As I sit here, Herself has just turned on her oxygen machine on so it sounds like the road is being dug up outside - and that's because Covid hit her lungs really badly. And she wasn't hit badly enough to need hospital when she got it ... and gave it to me ...
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Every report I have seen from folks that got Covid, the effects were serious, and the lingering effects were very serious in those that survived. To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots. Additionally, the chance of contraction and spreading Covid to others, were greatly reduced after having the shots. Finally, wear a mask any time you are in contact with other people. Is that "passive" enough for you?
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To a person, they all said on camera, they wished they would have gotten the shots.
Selective interviewing by the merchants of doom porn. It's certainly serious for some, but not for most, and many are asymptomatic. But those in the latter categories make for boring fare.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
the Delta variant is hitting the young hard when they get it
I have heard the death rate of the young is somewhere around .01% or something like that.
Long covid (trouble breathing, brain fog, loss of sense of smell, etc) happens in 10-30% of people who get it, and doesn't require you to be sick enough to be hospitalized - and thus is much less picky about only screwing up the rest of your life just because you're young and healthy.
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So, where did this bit of data originate?
a combination of ignorance (we don't have data past about half a year on how long protection will last over time), and being confused about anti-body levels (which always decline steadily over time) vs overall immune response (which long term is based on immune cells 'remembering' something as a threat) that's much harder to quantify in the lab. The US Govt's in the process of recommending a booster shot after 8 months (starting next month) based on a combination of indications that protection might be starting to fall off by then or that a longer interval between first and 2nd doses gives stronger protection (the Israel vs UK data for break-through infections with delta fits both theories). For the broader population (vs those in high risk groups) that might be premature; and from a global public health standpoint almost certainly is: Until protection tends much closer to zero, getting initial doses to people who haven't had anything yet will reduce the global case rate and thus the likely rate of new variants evolving more than minimizing risks in the rich world even more. But what else is new... :sigh:
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
The "flu" vaccine needs to be taken every year (apparently). I knew people doing that into their 90's like religion; worked for them.
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I finally bit the bullet and got the first dose of Moderna Covid vaccine today. I asked the guy how long these vaccines will protect me and he said after the 2nd dose I should be protected for 4-6 months. What!!??? That's it? :omg: :omg: So, I doubt herd immunity will ever be reached by way of vaccines. It's hard enough to get people to vaccinate but now you want them to do it every 4-6 months? It doesn't feel like it's ever going to happen. I'm not sure it's even worth me getting the second dose now. If I do get Covid, it's unlikely to be bad. And he said natural immunities from getting Covid only last 3-4 months. Crazy.
They can only say 4-6 months because the vaccines have not been approved for much longer and there is not yet "proof" that they protect longer. It does not mean that they don't protect for longer, just that they can't know for sure. And like anything biological, it will differ vastly from person to person. Some (a small minority) won't have any protection, some will have an immunity for much longer, and some will be in between. Even if the protection decreases after 6 months, you might still be better protected than with no vaccine at all. Unfortunately, when something is that new, it limits what we actually know (and it goes for this disease at least as much as for the vaccines for it).
