Dark Themes
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Tomz_KV wrote:
There must be some good reasons for it
23" of pure white light shot straight into my eyes will fatigue my eyesight in less than an hour, causing extreme migraines and a progressive loss of eyesight. Turning down the brightness makes the screen fuzzier and causes focusing issues due to background lighting. No amount of blue light reduction helps shielding from a lamp pointed straight at my face KGB interrogation style. Black/gray background eliminates most of the eye melting effect and allows for very bright characters, increasing contrast and thus visibility.
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I solve the eye strain issue by engaging the OS's night mode. What I have noticed with dark mode though is that newer monitors do a much better job with it. I run my new Motorola G Stylus phone runs almost exclusively in dark mode, but the three year old Motorola G5 phone that it replaced was almost unusable in dark mode.
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Reducing the brightness on my monitors to 50% at the very most (some to 25%) have caused me zero problems and I've been set up like this for decades. I can spend 16 hours a day in front of a monitor and I can't say eye strain is any issue. I'll be hurting after a 16-hour marathon, but from everywhere else. I'm not seeing the "fuzzier screen" and "focusing issues" you're talking about. All dark mode does for me is make the dust more visible when it's bright and sunny. Of course YMMV and that's fine.
dandy72 wrote:
All dark mode does for me is make the dust more visible when it's bright and sunny.
That makes me swear a lot.
dandy72 wrote:
I'm not seeing the "fuzzier screen" and "focusing issues" you're talking about.
If I lower the brightness too much I start seeing as when reading in low light, so the strain from the light is reduced but I have to strain to focus, If I don't lower it enough it's useless - I spent 7 years stuck with VisualStudio 6 and tried every possible combination. The relief I feel when moving to a bright white tanning lamp like CP to my dark themed VS feels like entering an air conditioned room in a hot summer day. I love my e-reader because it has a grayish backgorund that doesn't reflect light, with the bare minumum of backlight (about 2-3%) it's perfect. I also moved Acrobat Reader to a grayish background and it helps a lot. I also have a lazy eye so all the strain is concentrated to the good eye, which makes me fairly sensitive. When I transitioned to photocromic lenses my everyday life improved dramatically.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I solve the eye strain issue by engaging the OS's night mode. What I have noticed with dark mode though is that newer monitors do a much better job with it. I run my new Motorola G Stylus phone runs almost exclusively in dark mode, but the three year old Motorola G5 phone that it replaced was almost unusable in dark mode.
When I will update my e-reader I'll be taking one with the night light, which is more orange than white. Sadly on PC many applications don't play nice with OS settings, either with DPI or color corrections. Especially IDEs for embedded development, which often make VisualStudio 6 look like the pinnacle of technology.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Tomz_KV wrote:
There must be some good reasons for it
23" of pure white light shot straight into my eyes will fatigue my eyesight in less than an hour, causing extreme migraines and a progressive loss of eyesight. Turning down the brightness makes the screen fuzzier and causes focusing issues due to background lighting. No amount of blue light reduction helps shielding from a lamp pointed straight at my face KGB interrogation style. Black/gray background eliminates most of the eye melting effect and allows for very bright characters, increasing contrast and thus visibility.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
den2k88 wrote:
23" of pure white light shot straight into my eyes will fatigue my eyesight in less than an hour
That's how I react to black text on white paper. Therefore I prefer books printed with gray ink on medium gray paper, preferably in typefaces essentially composed of hairlines (as of the current web fashions). It is next to impossible to read the text, but at least it doesn't strain my eyes!
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Dark themes for Visual Studio and other dev environments become more and more popular. There must be some good reasons for it. I thought that was hard to read. I still prefer the traditional light theme with a white background.
TOMZ_KV
A white background is better for my eyes these days. Bright-colored text and graphics (not images) moving on a black screen causes me headaches.
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A white background is better for my eyes these days. Bright-colored text and graphics (not images) moving on a black screen causes me headaches.
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In this Survey, Survey Results - Dark mode or Light mode?[^], both Light and Dark got nearly equal votes.
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den2k88 wrote:
23" of pure white light shot straight into my eyes will fatigue my eyesight in less than an hour
That's how I react to black text on white paper. Therefore I prefer books printed with gray ink on medium gray paper, preferably in typefaces essentially composed of hairlines (as of the current web fashions). It is next to impossible to read the text, but at least it doesn't strain my eyes!
Well, there is a difference between book paper and glossy magazine paper :D especially the yellowish book paper, it's easier to read. But I need my ink thick and black (phrasing, ugh).
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I do a lot of my coding at night, and the dark theme is much easier on the eyes. Plus running on a 55" 4k screen, all white tends to just be a lot of light.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Ehhh. I don't know what too close is. It's not backlit, it's QLED so it's not as bad as older screens.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Nostalgia... I was a ZX Spectrum kid.
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Dark themes for Visual Studio and other dev environments become more and more popular. There must be some good reasons for it. I thought that was hard to read. I still prefer the traditional light theme with a white background.
TOMZ_KV
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I hate them for that - CP included. There are third party browser add-ons that can create dark themes but: 1) They suck if the original fonts are not black and the background is not white; 2) I don't trust a third party free add on that accesses the HTML I'm viewing and modifies it on the fly. Dark themes should be an accessibility feature on par with screen readers compatibility.
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[Dark Reader - Chrome Web Store](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/dark-reader/eimadpbcbfnmbkopoojfekhnkhdbieeh?hl=en) Does a pretty good job on a lot of sites :)
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Been using the dark theme for a long time now, I can't imagine going back to the light one, it's a bit hard on the eyes now. Besides, light attracts bugs :P
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Dark themes for Visual Studio and other dev environments become more and more popular. There must be some good reasons for it. I thought that was hard to read. I still prefer the traditional light theme with a white background.
TOMZ_KV
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dandy72 wrote:
All dark mode does for me is make the dust more visible when it's bright and sunny.
That makes me swear a lot.
dandy72 wrote:
I'm not seeing the "fuzzier screen" and "focusing issues" you're talking about.
If I lower the brightness too much I start seeing as when reading in low light, so the strain from the light is reduced but I have to strain to focus, If I don't lower it enough it's useless - I spent 7 years stuck with VisualStudio 6 and tried every possible combination. The relief I feel when moving to a bright white tanning lamp like CP to my dark themed VS feels like entering an air conditioned room in a hot summer day. I love my e-reader because it has a grayish backgorund that doesn't reflect light, with the bare minumum of backlight (about 2-3%) it's perfect. I also moved Acrobat Reader to a grayish background and it helps a lot. I also have a lazy eye so all the strain is concentrated to the good eye, which makes me fairly sensitive. When I transitioned to photocromic lenses my everyday life improved dramatically.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Maybe I've lucked out with the monitors I've been buying over the decades. Or maybe if you saw, in person, what I'm looking at, you'd immediately see the same problem, and I'm just not seeing it because I don't know any better, so to speak. And because I keep the brightness so low, I have a hard time with apps that are in dark mode...so maybe the solution for me is to increase the brightness back to "normal" levels so dark mode is readable again, and leave it at that. But, until I decide my current setup is no longer working for me, I'm happy not spending the time fiddling with settings until I find some alternative.
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Maybe I've lucked out with the monitors I've been buying over the decades. Or maybe if you saw, in person, what I'm looking at, you'd immediately see the same problem, and I'm just not seeing it because I don't know any better, so to speak. And because I keep the brightness so low, I have a hard time with apps that are in dark mode...so maybe the solution for me is to increase the brightness back to "normal" levels so dark mode is readable again, and leave it at that. But, until I decide my current setup is no longer working for me, I'm happy not spending the time fiddling with settings until I find some alternative.
Comfort is king. Once you find your sweet spot, effing around with settings can only worsen the experience.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Dark themes for Visual Studio and other dev environments become more and more popular. There must be some good reasons for it. I thought that was hard to read. I still prefer the traditional light theme with a white background.
TOMZ_KV
As with most things, the answer is "it depends" I find light-on-dark easier to read most of the time, but have recently written a small systray app to switch the overall windows theme between light and dark (and much of my software follows) so that when I'm working outside (which I've started doing because the weather is quite pleasant), I switch to a light theme, to be able to see what's on my screen more effectively. There are some points to ponder in this discussion though, including plain-old-preference and light sensitivity (I find bright colors on the screen to be rather harsh - even light outside can be a little much sometimes, but I feel like I adjust to it better once I'm actually out there - so perhaps it's more of a contrast issue)
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Just glad we don't use CRTs anymore. The blue background of the Turbo Pascal IDE couldn't have been great for my eyes.
My memory of Turbo Pascal was yellow text on a black background, which I quite liked. I set Turbo C up to be the same. I do find dark themes work well for me, though.
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Tomz_KV wrote:
There must be some good reasons for it
23" of pure white light shot straight into my eyes will fatigue my eyesight in less than an hour, causing extreme migraines and a progressive loss of eyesight. Turning down the brightness makes the screen fuzzier and causes focusing issues due to background lighting. No amount of blue light reduction helps shielding from a lamp pointed straight at my face KGB interrogation style. Black/gray background eliminates most of the eye melting effect and allows for very bright characters, increasing contrast and thus visibility.
GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
Are you sitting in a dark environment?
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