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As of Aug 7, according to WebMD, the predicated overall recover rate is 97-99.75%. Coronavirus Recovery: Rate, Time, and Outlook[^] The people who are mostly dying are the elderly and people with pre-existing underlying medical conditions. Please don't join the media in trying to scare the entire world.
Cp-Coder was as near as I can tell merely making a reasonably logical deduction as to the motivation of those late comers in response to the many such reported deaths w/ no intention of scaring anyone As for being scared it seems a logical response to what may be a serious condition As for the media's intentions as near as I can tell they are merely reporting the facts "Recovery" may be 99% but we now know there are long term effects which as far as I know are yet to be well known so a "recovery" of 99% has little meaning Hospitals are overflowing with COVID patients Doctors and Nurses are exhausted and fed up We have to walk around wearing masks w/ no end in sight I come to the conclusion this is a ___ing serious situation Better to be scared than not - Cheerio
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As of Aug 7, according to WebMD, the predicated overall recover rate is 97-99.75%. Coronavirus Recovery: Rate, Time, and Outlook[^] The people who are mostly dying are the elderly and people with pre-existing underlying medical conditions. Please don't join the media in trying to scare the entire world.
I beg to differ. According to the Israeli Ministry of Health, the majority of those who are infected are those who are unvaccinated. Only a negligible number of people who received the booster (for a total of 3 shots) have fallen ill. Note that this maybe an understatement- only those who actually have symptoms are liable to get tested. Among those who are severely ill (requiring hospitalization), the overwhelming majority are unvaccinated. The data are all [here](https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general), but the graphs' legends are in Hebrew. Sorry.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Mortality of polio - ~ 0.2%-3% Mortality of measles - 0.1% From the CDC:
Quote: Pinkbook: Measles | CDC[^]
Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 measles deaths were reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2 to 3 years.
Quote:Pinkbook: Poliomyelitis | CDC[^]
Approximately 70% of all polio infections in children are asymptomatic.
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Less than 1% of all polio infections in children result in flaccid paralysis.
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The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults.
Not many people complain about the vaccinations for measles and polio (loonies not counted). I don't think it's a question of "fear", but of "common sense" to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
TTFN - Kent
Kent Sharkey wrote:
I don't think it's a question of "fear", but of "common sense" to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
Sadly, common sense is not that common. :sigh:
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As of Aug 7, according to WebMD, the predicated overall recover rate is 97-99.75%. Coronavirus Recovery: Rate, Time, and Outlook[^] The people who are mostly dying are the elderly and people with pre-existing underlying medical conditions. Please don't join the media in trying to scare the entire world.
I know people (some are even family of mine) working in hospitals in two different lands, and for their empiric observations, in the hospitals they work for, the ratio of intensive station patients is clearly (like 80% or more) being unvaccinated people and not that old as before, since some weeks / couple of months ago, the average age is getting younger and younger. Back to real cases: some people that went to school with me had to stay in the hospital for several days and one even died, and I am not that old. I can't say in the rest of the world, but if in 5 hospitals in 4 different cities in two different countries is like that... adding some deviation, even rounding down a bit... it still is a remarkable difference. I don't usually care, what the main stream says. And I know that many, many media groups follow their own agenda. But I do trust those people and I believe the numbers they see everyday.
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Based on the commment, one would think that programmers would be more "logical" ... apparently not; just more venom.
It was only in wine that he laid down no limit for himself, but he did not allow himself to be confused by it. ― Confucian Analects: Rules of Confucius about his food
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
I don't think it's a question of "fear", but of "common sense" to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
Sadly, common sense is not that common. :sigh:
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Aye! :( /ravi
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As of Aug 7, according to WebMD, the predicated overall recover rate is 97-99.75%. Coronavirus Recovery: Rate, Time, and Outlook[^] The people who are mostly dying are the elderly and people with pre-existing underlying medical conditions. Please don't join the media in trying to scare the entire world.
There's more to Covid than death. I know one family who are all suffering from long Covid; they've had it for over a year now. Another friend has been in hospital for the last 10 weeks with it. She's been in and out of intensive care with it. Let's look at that statistic though. Assuming worst case of 97% recovery, the population of the USA is 328 million approx, so that's about 9.8 million deaths. That's a hell of a lot of people. 1% mortality is 3.2 million.
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There's more to Covid than death. I know one family who are all suffering from long Covid; they've had it for over a year now. Another friend has been in hospital for the last 10 weeks with it. She's been in and out of intensive care with it. Let's look at that statistic though. Assuming worst case of 97% recovery, the population of the USA is 328 million approx, so that's about 9.8 million deaths. That's a hell of a lot of people. 1% mortality is 3.2 million.
as of today, we have only seen 688K deaths out of 42.9M cases, here in the United States. There have been 4.55M deaths world wide, as of right now, out of 219M reported cases, out of a estimated world population of 7.9 billion. I support vaccination. I support the science. I do not support fear mongering and I don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear because of COVID.
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as of today, we have only seen 688K deaths out of 42.9M cases, here in the United States. There have been 4.55M deaths world wide, as of right now, out of 219M reported cases, out of a estimated world population of 7.9 billion. I support vaccination. I support the science. I do not support fear mongering and I don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear because of COVID.
May differ from country to country, but haven't seen any fear mongering. What purpose would that serve? Drop the nonsense.
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So we had our Pfizer booster shots today. What amazed me is that there were a number of younger folks in the pharmacy that were there for their very first Covid shots! Seems some folks are now getting nervous as the reports of Covid deaths just keep coming.
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
If you're seeing a marked uptick in young people getting their first shot, my guess is that it has a lot more to do with succumbing to imminent job loss rather than d00m p0rn.
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as of today, we have only seen 688K deaths out of 42.9M cases, here in the United States. There have been 4.55M deaths world wide, as of right now, out of 219M reported cases, out of a estimated world population of 7.9 billion. I support vaccination. I support the science. I do not support fear mongering and I don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear because of COVID.
What on earth does that mean; you don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear? If someone chooses to have the vaccine, they aren't cowering in fear. If someone is shielding, they aren't cowering in fear. If someone chooses to think of others and wear a mask, this isn't cowering in fear. Quite frankly, it's no one else's business how someone else chooses to live.
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Why? I'm vaccinated.
You'd better keep away anyway, because being vaccinated neither prevents you from getting it nor spreading it. Unlike vaccines for various diseases typically caught in childhood, these are of poor efficacy. With all the variants cropping up--soon we'll be out of Greek letters--it'll be like flu vaccines, which must be taken annually. In fact, biannually is often touted. Eventually you'll have to be injected in the butt, because your arm is going to look like a junkie's. :)
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If you're seeing a marked uptick in young people getting their first shot, my guess is that it has a lot more to do with succumbing to imminent job loss rather than d00m p0rn.
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.That, and the fact that governments have now decided to make life miserable for those who are not yet vaccinated. Vaccine passports are now required in some places to enter businesses deemed to be "non-essential". Strangely enough, over here where I am, when *no* vaccine was available, we used to use a color system (based on trends in infection rates); regions in red were in complete lockdown, yellow had some restrictions lifted, and those in green were pretty much a free-for-all (minus masks and keeping distances). *Now* that 80%+ of the local population has been vaccinated (and everything would be categorized as green), that system's out the window, to be replaced by stricter rules. That makes no sense to me.
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That, and the fact that governments have now decided to make life miserable for those who are not yet vaccinated. Vaccine passports are now required in some places to enter businesses deemed to be "non-essential". Strangely enough, over here where I am, when *no* vaccine was available, we used to use a color system (based on trends in infection rates); regions in red were in complete lockdown, yellow had some restrictions lifted, and those in green were pretty much a free-for-all (minus masks and keeping distances). *Now* that 80%+ of the local population has been vaccinated (and everything would be categorized as green), that system's out the window, to be replaced by stricter rules. That makes no sense to me.
In many places, it's about obeying or losing your rights. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are actually eliminating restrictions. Sweden--the former media poster boy for irresponsibility--is currently barring visitors from Israel, which is experiencing a big outbreak despite being one of the most heavily vaccinated countries. Singapore, maybe even more vaccinated, also has a big outbreak. Natural immunity gained from recovering from it is far more effective protection than the vaccines, yet the inconvenient science is ignored there. Many venues that now bar the unvaccinated are still using masks and social distancing. It's pointless to go on because it's like debating religion, and this is The Lounge.
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I beg to differ. According to the Israeli Ministry of Health, the majority of those who are infected are those who are unvaccinated. Only a negligible number of people who received the booster (for a total of 3 shots) have fallen ill. Note that this maybe an understatement- only those who actually have symptoms are liable to get tested. Among those who are severely ill (requiring hospitalization), the overwhelming majority are unvaccinated. The data are all [here](https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general), but the graphs' legends are in Hebrew. Sorry.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Around 20 - 25% of all infections in Ontario, Canada, are in the fully vaccinated. That's expected since we're at 80% fully vaccinated. Here's my take on the maths: Suppose you have 2 people, 1 vaccinated, 1 unvaccinated. Suppose they do everything together, even get exposed to COVID together. If the unvaccinated fell ill in a given situation, the vaccinated has only a 5% chance of falling ill in that same situation. Now suppose you have a random collection of people, 80% vaccinated, getting exposed in a way that would lead them to falling ill. 5% of vaccinated would fall ill in that scenario. If 80% of them are vaccinated then 4 times the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated will fall ill, ie 20% of the infected group who fall ill will be vaccinated. So our numbers, while they seem scary, are a mathematical inevitability and show the vaccines work about 95% of the time, and that break through infections occur at the rate one would expect. The real numbers are how many fully vaccinated people with no underlying health conditions end up in the ICU. That number is very, very small. I'm still, however, waiting for the 5G chip in my vaccine to kick in. Maybe I need to upgrade the drivers, or maybe it's that 5G in Canada is still a dodgy proposition in many places.
cheers Chris Maunder
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Mortality of polio - ~ 0.2%-3% Mortality of measles - 0.1% From the CDC:
Quote: Pinkbook: Measles | CDC[^]
Before 1963, approximately 500,000 cases and 500 measles deaths were reported annually, with epidemic cycles every 2 to 3 years.
Quote:Pinkbook: Poliomyelitis | CDC[^]
Approximately 70% of all polio infections in children are asymptomatic.
Quote:
Less than 1% of all polio infections in children result in flaccid paralysis.
Quote:
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults.
Not many people complain about the vaccinations for measles and polio (loonies not counted). I don't think it's a question of "fear", but of "common sense" to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
TTFN - Kent
Kent Sharkey wrote:
to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
But the vaccination does not prevent the disease in this case.
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It's the (young) unvaccinated people who get sick and then infect the old and vulnerable. Not getting vaccinated is an extremely selfish attitude to have. You can indirectly cause the death of a vulnerable person!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Cp-Coder wrote:
It's the (young) unvaccinated people who get sick and then infect the old and vulnerable.
I talked with a recruiter on Friday and his whole family, kids and wife, and parents have all just come down with covid and they were ALL fully vaccinated.
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Kent Sharkey wrote:
to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
But the vaccination does not prevent the disease in this case.
No, but it is a big help if you manage to avoid hospital because the severity decreases a lot for the most people. There always are exceptions, but the big % gets benefits from it.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Around 20 - 25% of all infections in Ontario, Canada, are in the fully vaccinated. That's expected since we're at 80% fully vaccinated. Here's my take on the maths: Suppose you have 2 people, 1 vaccinated, 1 unvaccinated. Suppose they do everything together, even get exposed to COVID together. If the unvaccinated fell ill in a given situation, the vaccinated has only a 5% chance of falling ill in that same situation. Now suppose you have a random collection of people, 80% vaccinated, getting exposed in a way that would lead them to falling ill. 5% of vaccinated would fall ill in that scenario. If 80% of them are vaccinated then 4 times the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated will fall ill, ie 20% of the infected group who fall ill will be vaccinated. So our numbers, while they seem scary, are a mathematical inevitability and show the vaccines work about 95% of the time, and that break through infections occur at the rate one would expect. The real numbers are how many fully vaccinated people with no underlying health conditions end up in the ICU. That number is very, very small. I'm still, however, waiting for the 5G chip in my vaccine to kick in. Maybe I need to upgrade the drivers, or maybe it's that 5G in Canada is still a dodgy proposition in many places.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm still, however, waiting for the 5G chip in my vaccine to kick in. Maybe I need to upgrade the drivers, or maybe it's that 5G in Canada is still a dodgy proposition in many places.
Did you already put your foil hat on? Maybe that's helping... :laugh: :laugh: The rest of your post... :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Cp-Coder wrote:
It's the (young) unvaccinated people who get sick and then infect the old and vulnerable.
I talked with a recruiter on Friday and his whole family, kids and wife, and parents have all just come down with covid and they were ALL fully vaccinated.
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have all just come down with covid and they were ALL fully vaccinated.
Soliders wearing keblar do die too. Vaccines only reduce spreading and severity. They don't make you 100% inmune. And some preparates are some less effective than others
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