Pfizer booster shots
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Member 15329613 wrote:
have all just come down with covid and they were ALL fully vaccinated.
Soliders wearing keblar do die too. Vaccines only reduce spreading and severity. They don't make you 100% inmune. And some preparates are some less effective than others
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Nelek wrote:
They don't make you 100% inmune
I believe the measles and polio and chickenpox and other required childhood ones do.
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Hey, I'm not wearing seatbelts because they don't prevent accidents. Look at how smart I am!
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The OP claimed the vaccination prevents disease.
den2k88 wrote:
I'm not wearing seatbelts because they don't prevent accidents.
Your analogy does not work because no one has ever claimed that seatbelts prevent accidents.
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No, but it is a big help if you manage to avoid hospital because the severity decreases a lot for the most people. There always are exceptions, but the big % gets benefits from it.
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Nelek wrote:
if you manage to avoid hospital
There was an interesting study done recently and I don't recall the exact numbers, but it was something like 75% of people overestimate the likelihood of having to go to the hospital if they got covid. It's only a 5-7% chance you'll be hospitalized but most people think it is way higher.
Nelek wrote:
but the big % gets benefits from it.
In this case I am not convinced. So many people that are vaccinated are still getting it and of course there is no way to prove that the vaccine prevented you from getting covid. Also, there are lots of links to health problems caused by the vaccination. In the beginning they likened this to the flu and unfortunately that's exactly how it's behaving, meaning the vaccine from 3 months ago may no longer be good.
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The OP claimed the vaccination prevents disease.
den2k88 wrote:
I'm not wearing seatbelts because they don't prevent accidents.
Your analogy does not work because no one has ever claimed that seatbelts prevent accidents.
No... it is just a tool to get less injured in case of an accident. The same as vaccines lesser the severity / chances of getting ill for that disease. You can have an accident / get ill anyways, but the results are statistically going to be less... what it doesn't mean that you might get the black peter and the worst accident / illness possible, no matter what you do against it. Probability is a b1tch.
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Nelek wrote:
They don't make you 100% inmune
I believe the measles and polio and chickenpox and other required childhood ones do.
I don't think there is 100% security in anything except that we will all die sooner or later. Those vaccines are like 98% or 99% but not 100%, that's why when the huge amount of people unvaccinated came in 2015, there were again some increase on measles in Germany.
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Nelek wrote:
if you manage to avoid hospital
There was an interesting study done recently and I don't recall the exact numbers, but it was something like 75% of people overestimate the likelihood of having to go to the hospital if they got covid. It's only a 5-7% chance you'll be hospitalized but most people think it is way higher.
Nelek wrote:
but the big % gets benefits from it.
In this case I am not convinced. So many people that are vaccinated are still getting it and of course there is no way to prove that the vaccine prevented you from getting covid. Also, there are lots of links to health problems caused by the vaccination. In the beginning they likened this to the flu and unfortunately that's exactly how it's behaving, meaning the vaccine from 3 months ago may no longer be good.
How many medicaments for a thing give problems in another thing? And still many are happy to get the "collateral damages" because the primary reason for that medicament is way worse. Again... probability / statistics. There are some cases getting side effects (more or less severe), there are some cases getting ill although they are vaccinated, I know. But the important thing are the big numbers, not the concrete cases. And yes, I know it sucks if one is the concrete case.
Member 15329613 wrote:
In the beginning they likened this to the flu and unfortunately that's exactly how it's behaving, meaning the vaccine from 3 months ago may no longer be good.
Maybe. I hope not, but it might be... we'll see. Flu alike or not Flu alike, it will stay for a while... that's for sure.
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Based on the commment, one would think that programmers would be more "logical" ... apparently not; just more venom.
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It's the (young) unvaccinated people who get sick and then infect the old and vulnerable. Not getting vaccinated is an extremely selfish attitude to have. You can indirectly cause the death of a vulnerable person!
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Cp-Coder wrote:
You can indirectly cause the death of a vulnerable person!
How dare you drive your car everyday. You might kill someone! So selfish. Hopefully that hyperbole will resonate.
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Cp-Coder wrote:
You can indirectly cause the death of a vulnerable person!
How dare you drive your car everyday. You might kill someone! So selfish. Hopefully that hyperbole will resonate.
The important bit is that driving a car it is assumed that you will act in a manner to not cause harm to others - that's why you have to have a valid licence, why the "rules of the road" exist. If you act in a manner that is likely to cause harm to others - driving drunk, running red lights, speeding past a school bus, having completely bald tyres or shot brakes, ... - then legal sanctions exist to punish you for your lack of consideration. You are ignoring that implicit requirement as far as Covid is concerned.
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as of today, we have only seen 688K deaths out of 42.9M cases, here in the United States. There have been 4.55M deaths world wide, as of right now, out of 219M reported cases, out of a estimated world population of 7.9 billion. I support vaccination. I support the science. I do not support fear mongering and I don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear because of COVID.
Those figures may be correct but you're missing one important point, those are the numbers WITH precautions (social distancing, isolation, face masks, vaccine) in place, you're quoting them as if that's all that would have happened if we'd done nothing. The whole point of the vaccine and other measures is to reduce the transmission rate in the overall population NOT to protect the individual.
