explicit Internet Explorer wreckage
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Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute. I'm not really involved, but I'll contribute anyway. ;P Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag But that would render your site inaccessible to thousands of users! If you think all, or even most of them will come back with another browser, you're making a mistake. :~ I use 4 browsers myself (I'm a geek) but dumb people ordinary users don't. Or am I missing some obvious point? :confused:
Vikram. ----------------------------- My soon-to-be-updated site KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.But that would render your site inaccessible to thousands of users! Yes, if you can remember it, that's exactly what happened to Opera users a year back when trying to access MSN sites. Opera had to mimic the Internet Explorer user agent string, just to make sure to enter. And yes, you probably don't get the point. MS has been playing child play for years. It's possible for webmasters to do exactly that if they decide that : - the IE implementation should evolve, provide better standard support (instead of implementing their own standards). - promote innovation. - suggest alternatives.
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lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute. [humor]Looks like everybody's contributing with 1s - your post's lynched.[/humor]
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But that would render your site inaccessible to thousands of users! Yes, if you can remember it, that's exactly what happened to Opera users a year back when trying to access MSN sites. Opera had to mimic the Internet Explorer user agent string, just to make sure to enter. And yes, you probably don't get the point. MS has been playing child play for years. It's possible for webmasters to do exactly that if they decide that : - the IE implementation should evolve, provide better standard support (instead of implementing their own standards). - promote innovation. - suggest alternatives.
Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: that's exactly what happened to Opera users a year back when trying to access MSN sites. I use Opera. I don't visit MSN sites. Even if I did, I would have simply given it (MSN) the cold shoulder, just like Mike says below.
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Sure, go ahead and do that. Just don't be bitching at people when their sites don't work in non-IE browsers. Doing something against MS doesn't make you more noble. Doing what you suggest doesn't promote anything, it just makes IE users go "huh, a broken web page... wonder what's new on CNN.com right now?" and never come back to your page. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber
Michael Dunn wrote: Doing something against MS doesn't make you more noble. Well said! Michael Dunn wrote: Doing what you suggest doesn't promote anything, it just makes IE users go "huh, a broken web page... wonder what's new on CNN.com right now?" and never come back to your page. Well said, again! OT: Look into the Soapbox, and you'll see a couple of your "fans". ;)
Vikram. ----------------------------- My soon-to-be-updated site KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking. -
lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
Seems pretty childish to me. I'm willing to bet that 75% of users accessing webpages are using IE because it's convenient because it came with their pre-installed system. They don't care what browser they're using, they just want to look up weather and a few other standard sites. As Mike pointed out, if a page dies they'll move along, they won't ever think, "Gosh, this page doesn't work in IE, lets try the complex (for most people) process of downloading a different browser and seeing if it works." My $0.02 :-D Paul ;) I have been afraid always. When you see something insurmountable ahead of you, say to yourself: "All right! I am afraid. Now that I've been properly afraid, let's go forward." That is the whole secret. - Jeanne d'Arc
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Seems pretty childish to me. I'm willing to bet that 75% of users accessing webpages are using IE because it's convenient because it came with their pre-installed system. They don't care what browser they're using, they just want to look up weather and a few other standard sites. As Mike pointed out, if a page dies they'll move along, they won't ever think, "Gosh, this page doesn't work in IE, lets try the complex (for most people) process of downloading a different browser and seeing if it works." My $0.02 :-D Paul ;) I have been afraid always. When you see something insurmountable ahead of you, say to yourself: "All right! I am afraid. Now that I've been properly afraid, let's go forward." That is the whole secret. - Jeanne d'Arc
Paul van der Walt wrote: My $0.02 :laugh: Paul van der Walt wrote: Gosh, this page doesn't work in IE, lets try the complex (for most people) process of downloading a different browser and seeing if it works :laugh: My 5 for the humor.
Vikram. ----------------------------- My soon-to-be-updated site KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking. -
lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
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lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
What about the infamous <input type=text exploit that crashes IE6? cheers, Chris Maunder
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lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Go to this sample web page[^] Now go to this one[^] ;P
Jon Sagara
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Sure, go ahead and do that. Just don't be bitching at people when their sites don't work in non-IE browsers. Doing something against MS doesn't make you more noble. Doing what you suggest doesn't promote anything, it just makes IE users go "huh, a broken web page... wonder what's new on CNN.com right now?" and never come back to your page. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber
im with you on this one...some people just dont have a clue :rolleyes:
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lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
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Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Go to this sample web page[^] Now go to this one[^] ;P
Jon Sagara
A bottle a night isn't alcoholism - it's persistence! -- A coworker, jokinglyJon Sagara wrote: Now go to this one :laugh::laugh: That's like John Simmons' "help" page, except maybe a bit more subtle :rolleyes: Ryan Being little and getting pushed around by big guys all my life I guess I compensate by pushing electrons and holes around. What a bully I am, but I do enjoy making subatomic particles hop at my bidding - Roger Wright (2nd April 2003, The Lounge)
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Sure, go ahead and do that. Just don't be bitching at people when their sites don't work in non-IE browsers. Doing something against MS doesn't make you more noble. Doing what you suggest doesn't promote anything, it just makes IE users go "huh, a broken web page... wonder what's new on CNN.com right now?" and never come back to your page. --Mike-- "So where does that leave us? Well, it leaves us right back where we started, only more confused than before." -- Matt Gullett Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber
The post is a small anti-monopoly contribution. I understand your somewhat over-reaction, as you are paid to write software for a monopoly (Universal Music + Sony). Before this gets way too much personal, I have nothing more self-describing than this : how much american can you be?
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exactly my thought back in 97 when IE4 was introduced along with the "best viewed with IE" logo. Care to remind us the policies? I can remind you that if you are a developer and willing to distribute Internet Explorer along in your CD, then MS tells you it's ok as long as you don't openly criticize Internet Explorer in any way and, you add a "best viewed with IE" logo in EACH of your web pages. Developers willing to redistribute IE are actively promoting IE. Why do you think MS wants us to do much more than this?
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May I remind you that you have a "posted message" history somewhat frightening. Besides this, I don't see what's wrong trying to fight. This is proactive, unlike what you pretend, as my point is to spread the words.
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Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Go to this sample web page[^] Now go to this one[^] ;P
Jon Sagara
A bottle a night isn't alcoholism - it's persistence! -- A coworker, jokinglyWake up and face yourself in the mirror. How good did you do for your peers? I hope you never openly criticize monopolies in the future. Otherwise, you would have made a fool for yourself. It won't take long now before your favorite browser is no longer free. Just have fun in the meantime and keep yourself short-sighted.
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Wake up and face yourself in the mirror. How good did you do for your peers? I hope you never openly criticize monopolies in the future. Otherwise, you would have made a fool for yourself. It won't take long now before your favorite browser is no longer free. Just have fun in the meantime and keep yourself short-sighted.
Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: Wake up and face yourself in the mirror. How good did you do for your peers? :confused: Someone set us up the bomb. Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: I hope you never openly criticize monopolies in the future. Otherwise, you would have made a fool for yourself. It won't take long now before your favorite browser is no longer free. Just have fun in the meantime and keep yourself short-sighted. You need to chill. It was just a joke. Sheesh.
Jon Sagara
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Stephane Rodriguez. wrote: that's exactly what happened to Opera users a year back when trying to access MSN sites. I use Opera. I don't visit MSN sites. Even if I did, I would have simply given it (MSN) the cold shoulder, just like Mike says below.
Vikram. ----------------------------- My soon-to-be-updated site KI klike KDE kand kuse kit, kbut KI kmust kadmit, kstarting kall knames kwith K kis ksilly. KI khope kthey kwill kgive kup kthis kwhole kscheme ksoon kand kcome kup kwith kreal knames. pI vThink aHungarian nNotation vIs iA aWonderful nThing cAnd pEveryone avShould vUse pIt aAll dThe nTime, adNo nMatter pWhat dThe nContext, adEven adWhen vSpeaking.Vikram Punathambekar wrote: I use Opera. I don't visit MSN sites. Even if I did, I would have simply given it (MSN) the cold shoulder, just like Mike says below. You mean to say that you post to CP from Opera :omg: I've tried Opera earlier, but it sucks for msdn and CP so just gave up, mozilla is better but still not upto my comfort levels. - Kannan
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lately i have read a lot of posts and constructive opinions about where the browser war is heading (though ended a few years back), as a result of the recent MS decisions to stop further IE development as a stand-alone app on Windows, and IE on mac as a whole (which of course might not taken seriously, as i expect them to change anytime soon without notice). In the meantime, it's about how the community could help boost the current IE state-of-the-art, and btw promote alternative browsers, i am getting myself a bit caught in a band wagon. That's the band wagon of explicit IE wreckage, that is any technical way to prevent a web page from getting properly rendered when served to Internet Explorer, while being served it gets perfectly rendered using an alternative like Mozilla (Firebird). Here is how to do it : just add a non-closed tag like <xml> somewhere inside the html code. Let's take an example. Go to this sample web page[^]. Save the page locally. Bring up your favorite text editor and just add <xml> somewhere in the code. Reload in your favorite browser : Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird? ==> fine. IE ==> blank page. :rolleyes: Congrats. :-O If i can compile a few more tricks, then i'll post an entire article sometimes in the future. Anyone involved, just don't hesitate to contribute.
Dude. You're going to get a lot of flack posting stuff like this here. There are many people around here who feel that attitudes like yours are heretical. You are more likely to get lynched than support. I support you, though. :) Post an article. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
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Dude. You're going to get a lot of flack posting stuff like this here. There are many people around here who feel that attitudes like yours are heretical. You are more likely to get lynched than support. I support you, though. :) Post an article. J
"You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."
Maybe the method of protest will be frowned upon but the spirit of the protest will no doubt get support. Microsoft made a big deal about robust and trustworthy computing a while ago, and while the security aspects are being addressed the robustness seems to have taken a back seat. cheers, Chris Maunder