Like I needed another reason to despise Apple
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Send that guy all sorts of dubious messages. Apple will notice them and unlock the phone for you. And if they wont, the FBI or CIA will. Or else Facebook will do it. It's just a matter of which Big Brother's buttons you push the most. Once it's unlocked, show them the messages were just words, point them to this thread, reset your password, profit ;)
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I have a friend that would kill or die to have one in the box.
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I know people like that too and was almost their victim when I told them. One even commented that I should have gotten rid of my bed to make room to store those boxes :sigh:
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I know people like that too and was almost their victim when I told them. One even commented that I should have gotten rid of my bed to make room to store those boxes :sigh:
Priorities!
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I know people like that too and was almost their victim when I told them. One even commented that I should have gotten rid of my bed to make room to store those boxes :sigh:
Had it been me, I'd have stored them anywhere, no matter what. They would not have gone to the dump.
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And to think I was inching my way toward buying a mac. Not anymore. They treated a pair of orphans (brothers) I know like criminals because the younger one locked himself out of an iphone he bought refurbed from an outfit that resells refurbed apples. well, he doesn't speak english, and he's not particularly literate so the information that was put in his phone isn't easily recoverable, and they lost the paper we had everything written down on in the move (we didn't keep a copy, because who keeps copies of other people's passwords?) Anyway, he locked himself out and we can't recover it, can't jail break it, we have the invoice for it, but Apple won't accept it. Worse, they said "don't contact us again" They really said that. I can't even believe it. I will never buy an Apple product. And for those of you that support them, I hope you reconsider. They are not nice.
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Just curious... what does the fact that this illiterate (your description) guy who 1) writes his passwords on a piece of paper, 2) forgets his password, 3) loses the paper and 4) doesn't use the biometrics available in all recent iPhones has a brother and is an orphan have to do with anything? Or are you simply playing the sympathy card? I gotta say, I agree with Mr. Maunder. I personally choose Apple phones specifically for this reason. I value the data on my devices. I protect it and I don't expect manufacturers to circumvent security just because someone can produce a "receipt".
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Just curious... what does the fact that this illiterate (your description) guy who 1) writes his passwords on a piece of paper, 2) forgets his password, 3) loses the paper and 4) doesn't use the biometrics available in all recent iPhones has a brother and is an orphan have to do with anything? Or are you simply playing the sympathy card? I gotta say, I agree with Mr. Maunder. I personally choose Apple phones specifically for this reason. I value the data on my devices. I protect it and I don't expect manufacturers to circumvent security just because someone can produce a "receipt".
Whatever, man. You think it's okay for a company to treat people who buy its products like criminals because they don't remember a god damned icloud username from a year ago, no wonder you like apple. i will never understand why people think it's okay for companies to treat their customers like crap. adding: I immediately think far less of someone who uses the phrase "Sympathy card"
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Whatever, man. You think it's okay for a company to treat people who buy its products like criminals because they don't remember a god damned icloud username from a year ago, no wonder you like apple. i will never understand why people think it's okay for companies to treat their customers like crap. adding: I immediately think far less of someone who uses the phrase "Sympathy card"
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I value data security. PERIOD. FULL STOP. If Apple caves for your poor orphaned, illiterate brothers who's to say they won't also cave to a couple guys who steal my phone, doctor up a "receipt" and babble to Apple store employees? Honestly, the world has more of the latter than the former - why should the 100's of millions of iPhone users have to give up their security? I'd argue that Apple is treating their customers correctly - by protecting their data security.
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they need to start at factory settings again. They have lost NOT ONLY their credentials but also their data.
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he's a teenage boy. his data isn't exactly essential. the problem is the phone is a brick. my hubby warned him against buying an apple because something like this would happen. i can't believe they will accept an apple ID (which someone can steal) but not direct trail including bank statements and the cooperation of the company that sold the device as evidence of ownership/
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Whatever, man. You think it's okay for a company to treat people who buy its products like criminals because they don't remember a god damned icloud username from a year ago, no wonder you like apple. i will never understand why people think it's okay for companies to treat their customers like crap. adding: I immediately think far less of someone who uses the phrase "Sympathy card"
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Gotta go with the bogus receipt theory. Jives with the current bogus vaccination certificates and fake currencies. It's a meme world.
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Gotta go with the bogus receipt theory. Jives with the current bogus vaccination certificates and fake currencies. It's a meme world.
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We have bank records. We can reproduce the entire transaction, and we have the cooperation of the company who sold it. Apple will not evaluate that information. They want an apple id. That can be stolen. It's much more difficult to steal the kind of bank statements we could provide.
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I value data security. PERIOD. FULL STOP. If Apple caves for your poor orphaned, illiterate brothers who's to say they won't also cave to a couple guys who steal my phone, doctor up a "receipt" and babble to Apple store employees? Honestly, the world has more of the latter than the former - why should the 100's of millions of iPhone users have to give up their security? I'd argue that Apple is treating their customers correctly - by protecting their data security.
Apple IDs can be stolen. The type of financial documentation of the purchase which we were willing to provide, along with the cooperation of the company who sold the phone can't be stolen. If this was about protecting anything, the kid would have his phone back. If it was about recovering equipment for someone Apple should have called the cops while the kid was at the apple store. They aren't interested in protecting customers or they'd do things that make sense to that end.
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Apple IDs can be stolen. The type of financial documentation of the purchase which we were willing to provide, along with the cooperation of the company who sold the phone can't be stolen. If this was about protecting anything, the kid would have his phone back. If it was about recovering equipment for someone Apple should have called the cops while the kid was at the apple store. They aren't interested in protecting customers or they'd do things that make sense to that end.
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We obviously have very different opinions about what all can be stolen / forged as well as how that applies to data security. Agree to disagree?
Let's do that.
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And to think I was inching my way toward buying a mac. Not anymore. They treated a pair of orphans (brothers) I know like criminals because the younger one locked himself out of an iphone he bought refurbed from an outfit that resells refurbed apples. well, he doesn't speak english, and he's not particularly literate so the information that was put in his phone isn't easily recoverable, and they lost the paper we had everything written down on in the move (we didn't keep a copy, because who keeps copies of other people's passwords?) Anyway, he locked himself out and we can't recover it, can't jail break it, we have the invoice for it, but Apple won't accept it. Worse, they said "don't contact us again" They really said that. I can't even believe it. I will never buy an Apple product. And for those of you that support them, I hope you reconsider. They are not nice.
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I had a similar experience 3 years ago when my Brother in Law passed away. Both Apple and Facebook treat me like a common criminal, even though I had a death certificate, in the end the only way I could get access to his locked iPad was to take his wallet, ID and birth certificate to a local Apple store and pretend to be him, his mother was with us at the time and it was an intensly emotional experience for her.
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And to think I was inching my way toward buying a mac. Not anymore. They treated a pair of orphans (brothers) I know like criminals because the younger one locked himself out of an iphone he bought refurbed from an outfit that resells refurbed apples. well, he doesn't speak english, and he's not particularly literate so the information that was put in his phone isn't easily recoverable, and they lost the paper we had everything written down on in the move (we didn't keep a copy, because who keeps copies of other people's passwords?) Anyway, he locked himself out and we can't recover it, can't jail break it, we have the invoice for it, but Apple won't accept it. Worse, they said "don't contact us again" They really said that. I can't even believe it. I will never buy an Apple product. And for those of you that support them, I hope you reconsider. They are not nice.
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Inexcusable behavior, I agree! But then, I've long despised them. Back in 1978 my company encouraged employees to give up our pencils and try computers. They created a special payroll deduction plan to enable us to buy Apple IIc computers and accessories; mine came to about $2600, paid over a year. When I bought it I didn't realize that, if I wanted to do anything with it, I'd have to write my own apps. I was new to programming, and did not realize that the 6502 implemented subroutines differently. I was used to using CALL/RTN on an 8080 or Z80 platform, and there was no CALL in the 6502 instruction set. Then I checked the hardware itself and found that Apple had mapped the middle of the 64k memory space to the video display, making it unusable for my programs. I had a JMP instruction to get across the video section, but no RTN to get back. Grrrr... I later learned that the cpu had an equivalent for CALL (JSR - Jump, saving return address), but I was so pissed at this stupid hardware layout that I sold the thing. I've never considered owning an Apple anything since. I know they make some excellent products now, but I'd still take a pencil and paper over an Apple product. X|
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I had a similar experience 3 years ago when my Brother in Law passed away. Both Apple and Facebook treat me like a common criminal, even though I had a death certificate, in the end the only way I could get access to his locked iPad was to take his wallet, ID and birth certificate to a local Apple store and pretend to be him, his mother was with us at the time and it was an intensly emotional experience for her.
That sounds awful.
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That sounds awful.
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It certainly wasn't pleasant. The mother in law was in tears when we got back in the car, and the staff in the Apple Store forced her to sign a written document stating she was my mother, even though we had Birth Certificates. They also wanted a copy of my Marriage Certificate (But where told no, and after a bit of push back realised they where not going to get it), they where using the whole episode as a vector to grab as much personal data from me as they felt they could get a hold of. Marriage certificate would have show that my Mother in Law was not in fact my mother but my wife's, and the argued fiercely to get a copy of it, along with with my brother in laws Passport, Driving Licence (Which we had to doctor the photo on so it looked like me and not him), we did eventually get access to both of his accounts however, which I then proceeded to sign over to joint custody of his sister (My Wife) and myself as well as his daughter. This means there are now 3 of us that know the keys to the castle so to speak, and also have access to a GMail account specifically set up to receive reset requests, along with an HTTP SMS Service that when it receives an SMS message, sends a copy to all 3 of us on our cell phones, so that 2FA codes are also accessible. We had to do a similar thing with Facebook, but thankfully FB where no were near as bad as Apple, they where un-pleasant to deal with and they still treat us (When we where shutting the account down at least) like we where trying to take the food out of their mouths IE: who dare you want to shut down one account and deprive us of the ad revenue that would bring in... but they backed off in the end, for weeks after with apple they kept "Following up" by EMail telling me they needed copies of this, copies of that, address confirmations etc... as I say, anything they could to grab just that one little extra bit of personal data. Once we started just ignoring the emails though, they stopped after a month or so... Surprisingly the best one of the bunch to deal with was access to, downloading of data and then closure of his Microsoft Account, once we produced the death certificate MS couldn't do enough to help us, and they even sent a small condolence's card to the my mother in law. Similarly, Google where relatively easy to deal with too, and BBC for the iPlayer account, twitter, linked-in and Quora where a bit more pushy than I would have liked initially, but once we issued copies of the death certificate and told them all we wanted was a data downloa
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And to think I was inching my way toward buying a mac. Not anymore. They treated a pair of orphans (brothers) I know like criminals because the younger one locked himself out of an iphone he bought refurbed from an outfit that resells refurbed apples. well, he doesn't speak english, and he's not particularly literate so the information that was put in his phone isn't easily recoverable, and they lost the paper we had everything written down on in the move (we didn't keep a copy, because who keeps copies of other people's passwords?) Anyway, he locked himself out and we can't recover it, can't jail break it, we have the invoice for it, but Apple won't accept it. Worse, they said "don't contact us again" They really said that. I can't even believe it. I will never buy an Apple product. And for those of you that support them, I hope you reconsider. They are not nice.
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You might enjoy this: Apple Devices vs 50cal - YouTube[^] :laugh:
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It certainly wasn't pleasant. The mother in law was in tears when we got back in the car, and the staff in the Apple Store forced her to sign a written document stating she was my mother, even though we had Birth Certificates. They also wanted a copy of my Marriage Certificate (But where told no, and after a bit of push back realised they where not going to get it), they where using the whole episode as a vector to grab as much personal data from me as they felt they could get a hold of. Marriage certificate would have show that my Mother in Law was not in fact my mother but my wife's, and the argued fiercely to get a copy of it, along with with my brother in laws Passport, Driving Licence (Which we had to doctor the photo on so it looked like me and not him), we did eventually get access to both of his accounts however, which I then proceeded to sign over to joint custody of his sister (My Wife) and myself as well as his daughter. This means there are now 3 of us that know the keys to the castle so to speak, and also have access to a GMail account specifically set up to receive reset requests, along with an HTTP SMS Service that when it receives an SMS message, sends a copy to all 3 of us on our cell phones, so that 2FA codes are also accessible. We had to do a similar thing with Facebook, but thankfully FB where no were near as bad as Apple, they where un-pleasant to deal with and they still treat us (When we where shutting the account down at least) like we where trying to take the food out of their mouths IE: who dare you want to shut down one account and deprive us of the ad revenue that would bring in... but they backed off in the end, for weeks after with apple they kept "Following up" by EMail telling me they needed copies of this, copies of that, address confirmations etc... as I say, anything they could to grab just that one little extra bit of personal data. Once we started just ignoring the emails though, they stopped after a month or so... Surprisingly the best one of the bunch to deal with was access to, downloading of data and then closure of his Microsoft Account, once we produced the death certificate MS couldn't do enough to help us, and they even sent a small condolence's card to the my mother in law. Similarly, Google where relatively easy to deal with too, and BBC for the iPlayer account, twitter, linked-in and Quora where a bit more pushy than I would have liked initially, but once we issued copies of the death certificate and told them all we wanted was a data downloa
Wow. Just, wow. I'm sorry. At least Microsoft wasn't crappy about it.
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Wow. Just, wow. I'm sorry. At least Microsoft wasn't crappy about it.
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Thank you for giving me the opportunity to tell the story. At the time I was going to write a whole blog post about it, but I was just too busy helping to sort out other things, and well it just became one of those things that slipped to the back burner. I find apples attitude in the modern era strange to say the least. Let's take the current state of web-development, and Apples push back on pretty much everything they didn't play a hand in, the only W3C recommendations they are happy to run with in the Safari Browser are the ones they played a large part in defining, they site "security concerns" for not adding what everyone else is adding, yet all the other main browsers and platforms have implemented pretty much all of these API's with little to no problems. And if you want a real eye opener, read the court transcripts from the recent epic games vs Apple court case. Don't get me wrong, NONE of the big companies to day are squeaky clean, but compared to the state of Apple right now, the rest are starting to look like angels.
