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TFW Microsoft's own tools don't like to work with their tools

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  • H honey the codewitch

    I've only noticed it around my variables. Maybe because that's when SQL yells at me.

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    What types are those variables?

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      What types are those variables?

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      honey the codewitch
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      They're just basic SQL procedure variables. DECLARE (at)ch INT = -1 That shouldn't say (at) but this forum wants to link a poster named ch when i type it properly. ... It has nothing to do with the language and everything to do with VS replacing spaces with non-breaking spaces.

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      • H honey the codewitch

        So I'm using visual studio and it seems to randomly replace spaces in my text with character 160 when i do clipboard operations with it. Not all the time, mind you, but I haven't figured out exactly what happens to make it do that yet. Normally, I wouldn't care. Whitespace is whitespace, and it's all unicode right? Well no. SQL's parser does not accept character 160 as whitespace. Worse, it gives you weird errors around it. For example:

        SET @cc = CASE @ch WHEN 9 THEN (((@cc - 1) / @tabWidth) + 1) * @tabWidth + 1 WHEN 10 THEN 1 WHEN 13 THEN 1 ELSE @cc END

        This said I needed to declare the variable '@ch' The real issue was that variable was surrounded by char# 160's :mad: Do they not dogfood their tools? How am I the first person to run into this?

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        Luc Pattyn
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        It seems to be a feature, not a bug: MS rich text editors prefer non-breaking spaces to "maintain the correct spacing format". I never ran into this specific problem, however I sometimes use a little tool to delete any non-plain-text representation of data present on the clipboard, e.g. when the target app does not provide a "paste as plain text" option. :)

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        • L Luc Pattyn

          It seems to be a feature, not a bug: MS rich text editors prefer non-breaking spaces to "maintain the correct spacing format". I never ran into this specific problem, however I sometimes use a little tool to delete any non-plain-text representation of data present on the clipboard, e.g. when the target app does not provide a "paste as plain text" option. :)

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          englebart
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          Based on this, try renaming files to .template.txt? Also, if there is Paste -> special, try pasting plain text

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          • H honey the codewitch

            I'd really like to know why, myself. It's infuriating.

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            markchagers
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            Are you sure it isn't something introduced by the clipboard itself? not VS?

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            • H honey the codewitch

              So I'm using visual studio and it seems to randomly replace spaces in my text with character 160 when i do clipboard operations with it. Not all the time, mind you, but I haven't figured out exactly what happens to make it do that yet. Normally, I wouldn't care. Whitespace is whitespace, and it's all unicode right? Well no. SQL's parser does not accept character 160 as whitespace. Worse, it gives you weird errors around it. For example:

              SET @cc = CASE @ch WHEN 9 THEN (((@cc - 1) / @tabWidth) + 1) * @tabWidth + 1 WHEN 10 THEN 1 WHEN 13 THEN 1 ELSE @cc END

              This said I needed to declare the variable '@ch' The real issue was that variable was surrounded by char# 160's :mad: Do they not dogfood their tools? How am I the first person to run into this?

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              Paul Sanders the other one
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              Never seen that happen myself, and I use VS extensively. What type of file are you editing (.htm, .aspx, whatever)?

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              • H honey the codewitch

                I just noticed it today. It's weird, and it isn't the SQL editor directly. I have these ".template" files, like "CompiledTokenizer.sql.template" that generates sql output, but the template file itself uses ASP-like syntax with <%,<%= and %> In this template I do a bunch of crazy things by walking state machines to render thousands of lines of stored proc code. But when I'm pasting around that .template file is when the 160s crop up. Even if I paste into it from the SQL editor and then copy out of it, I'll get 160s. The .template file isn't a recognized format by visual studio. I tried naming it .asp and even .aspx to give me so highlighting, but that only did the *client* code, and if anything I want the server code highlighted, so I just named it .template and editing it as a POTF instead of anything fancy. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. I'm grasping.

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                Gary Wheeler
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                Try opening the files in Visual Studio's binary editor, and see if there's a UNICODE byte order mark at the beginning. If there is (marking the file as UTF-8, for example), that could be influencing the behavior of the editor.

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  So I'm using visual studio and it seems to randomly replace spaces in my text with character 160 when i do clipboard operations with it. Not all the time, mind you, but I haven't figured out exactly what happens to make it do that yet. Normally, I wouldn't care. Whitespace is whitespace, and it's all unicode right? Well no. SQL's parser does not accept character 160 as whitespace. Worse, it gives you weird errors around it. For example:

                  SET @cc = CASE @ch WHEN 9 THEN (((@cc - 1) / @tabWidth) + 1) * @tabWidth + 1 WHEN 10 THEN 1 WHEN 13 THEN 1 ELSE @cc END

                  This said I needed to declare the variable '@ch' The real issue was that variable was surrounded by char# 160's :mad: Do they not dogfood their tools? How am I the first person to run into this?

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                  Choroid
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                  I seldom copy and paste code but I tried to copy and paste the entire code for a form Don't ask WHY I am a novice I am using VS 2019 V 16.7.5 VB.Net project A long time ago I would just use MS Notepad and would always get errors with my simple SQLite statements So I would rewrite them line for line and character then they would execute fine OK so this does not answer your question it is way above my pay grade ha ha TODAY I use Sublime Text 2 I paste my copy of code into Sublime and move it to a new project where I am trying to fix an unrelated issue. The code was saved while it was living in Sublime so open the file and copy and paste into VS No Issues Someday I will learn how to move the Form and all the Controls

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                  • H honey the codewitch

                    So I'm using visual studio and it seems to randomly replace spaces in my text with character 160 when i do clipboard operations with it. Not all the time, mind you, but I haven't figured out exactly what happens to make it do that yet. Normally, I wouldn't care. Whitespace is whitespace, and it's all unicode right? Well no. SQL's parser does not accept character 160 as whitespace. Worse, it gives you weird errors around it. For example:

                    SET @cc = CASE @ch WHEN 9 THEN (((@cc - 1) / @tabWidth) + 1) * @tabWidth + 1 WHEN 10 THEN 1 WHEN 13 THEN 1 ELSE @cc END

                    This said I needed to declare the variable '@ch' The real issue was that variable was surrounded by char# 160's :mad: Do they not dogfood their tools? How am I the first person to run into this?

                    Real programmers use butterflies

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                    Alister Morton
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                    Hmmm, I wonder if this explains strange problems we've seen from time to time where we paste code into MS SQL Server Mgt Studio's editor for a query and it looks fine to the eye, but gives a syntax error, and then when you retype it it all works. Next time I see it, I'll dig deeper.

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                    • A Alister Morton

                      Hmmm, I wonder if this explains strange problems we've seen from time to time where we paste code into MS SQL Server Mgt Studio's editor for a query and it looks fine to the eye, but gives a syntax error, and then when you retype it it all works. Next time I see it, I'll dig deeper.

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      It sounds like the same problem. I feel bad for you, but good that I'm not the only one. :laugh:

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