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That's missing the point John, this was posted a few days after four people were killed in Michigan
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pkfox wrote:
a few days after four people were killed in Michigan
Ummm... without taking one side or the other in regards to the silly Christmas card... dozens of people are killed with guns in Chicago every single week - sometimes it's dozens killed in a single weekend. Somehow our illustrious media mostly ignores these killings. It obviously doesn't support their narrative.
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Likewise, I don't make xmas pics of me with my car (or my guns). However, I'm not gonna criticize anyone else for doing that. It is, after all, theoretically a free country. Maybe not in practice, but theoretically.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace), but just because. Especially a country's representative could just make a nice neutral Christmas picture, no? It's holiday, not hobby-day, after all ;) Anyway, you're right in that people should just do it if they want to (and face the consequences), but as a Dutchman I'm still entitled to my opinion on an American gun-holiday-picture on a Canadian programming website.
#realJSOP wrote:
Maybe not in practice, but theoretically.
We're all equal, it's just that some people are more equal than others ;)
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[Idiot and his family](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59543735)
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I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace), but just because. Especially a country's representative could just make a nice neutral Christmas picture, no? It's holiday, not hobby-day, after all ;) Anyway, you're right in that people should just do it if they want to (and face the consequences), but as a Dutchman I'm still entitled to my opinion on an American gun-holiday-picture on a Canadian programming website.
#realJSOP wrote:
Maybe not in practice, but theoretically.
We're all equal, it's just that some people are more equal than others ;)
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Even ignoring the crass timing, I fail to see the connection between Christmas and assault rifles ... maybe it's an "'Murican Thang".
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The First Amendment to the US Constitution allows almost complete Freedom of Speech - including the right to make a public fool of oneself. (I'm not going to discuss the Second Amendment - it's too close to both politics and religion)
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I don't see anything wrong with the photo. Everyone is practising proper trigger and muzzle discipline.
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013:thumbsup: Given that there are 330 million people in the USA, someone will find almost any photo that you can name insensitive. Are we to require ritual abasement and apologies for each of those, too?
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace),
No one ever gets peace without being willing to fight for it.
I did. And never been capable of fighting either. The reason for our prosperity is cooperation. :thumbsup:
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I just don't get it, not just because they're tools of war (while Christmas is about peace),
No one ever gets peace without being willing to fight for it.
Unless, you know, people wouldn't fight :doh: Our forefathers did a lot of fighting and as a result I never had to fight in my life. I was born into peace and still know it today, same for my parents. Their parents lived during WWII, but of the four, only one is still alive. So tell me, who are you fighting that you need all those guns?
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The First Amendment to the US Constitution allows almost complete Freedom of Speech - including the right to make a public fool of oneself. (I'm not going to discuss the Second Amendment - it's too close to both politics and religion)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
I'm not going to discuss the Second Amendment - it's too close to both politics and religion
I think Family Guy nailed it[^] :laugh:
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The First Amendment to the US Constitution allows almost complete Freedom of Speech - including the right to make a public fool of oneself. (I'm not going to discuss the Second Amendment - it's too close to both politics and religion)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Freedom speech allows us to identify the idiots.:)
>64 If you can keep your head while those about you are losing theirs, perhaps you don't understand the situation.
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Why the heck would you pose with guns anyway? :doh: Apart from the whole gun debate, let's for the moment say guns are your hobby and you love guns. I love games, movies and music, but you don't see me posing with any of those on a Christmas picture. And quite frankly, I never see anyone doing any of that. Posing with a football (soccer for Americans) for the football team Christmas card, sure. Posing with guns for the shooting range Christmas card, sure. Posing with footballs or guns for your Christmas family picture, just why? And then they say vegetarians are in your face about their diet. Hah, we could learn a thing or two from gun owners :laugh:
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My husband is a member of a gun club, and they train, and provide security for events. He doesn't pose with his weapons. To the degree that it's a hobby, he does what a normal person with a hobby like that would do, and go to the range. One of things about this country that has been steadily eroded by lobbyists is emphasis on gun safety. And people wonder why we get some new story every week about some moron who shouldn't have had guns or kids being blown away by their toddler.
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What? Oh, the portions weren't big enough? ...and it wasn't battered, extra crispy, fried to death (with extra bland yellow cheese substitute)?
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You say that like it's a bad thing. And barbecue too. I'm more partial to Carolina than the stuff further west.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated.
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What? Oh, the portions weren't big enough? ...and it wasn't battered, extra crispy, fried to death (with extra bland yellow cheese substitute)?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
You all can't really speak about food quality. You all stole most of the world's spices and can't be bothered to use them. My favorite British food is Indian food.
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My husband is a member of a gun club, and they train, and provide security for events. He doesn't pose with his weapons. To the degree that it's a hobby, he does what a normal person with a hobby like that would do, and go to the range. One of things about this country that has been steadily eroded by lobbyists is emphasis on gun safety. And people wonder why we get some new story every week about some moron who shouldn't have had guns or kids being blown away by their toddler.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
they train, and provide security for events.
That's not even allowed over here. Only the government is allowed to handle guns, so army and police. Security is rarely armed over here. We do have shooting ranges, but I know very few people who've ever been there, one or two I think. I guess this is unimaginable to many Americans, but guns simply do not exist in daily life over here. I mean, of course they exist, but it's almost always illegal and criminal. In 2019, someone shot some people in a tram in Utrecht, near where I work. That's the closest I've ever been to guns. There was also a shooting at a mall about ten years ago, people still remember it, even if they've never been there. I think we've had one school shooting ever.
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Every single one of them is properly handling the weapon. None are pointed at anyone and no one has their finger near the trigger. (The congressman might but I suspect his finger is wrapped around the trigger guard.)
They could give lessons to a certain Hollywood actor.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
they train, and provide security for events.
That's not even allowed over here. Only the government is allowed to handle guns, so army and police. Security is rarely armed over here. We do have shooting ranges, but I know very few people who've ever been there, one or two I think. I guess this is unimaginable to many Americans, but guns simply do not exist in daily life over here. I mean, of course they exist, but it's almost always illegal and criminal. In 2019, someone shot some people in a tram in Utrecht, near where I work. That's the closest I've ever been to guns. There was also a shooting at a mall about ten years ago, people still remember it, even if they've never been there. I think we've had one school shooting ever.
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Well in our country, the police are pro-fascist**, and actively protect white supremacists and attack those that stand up to them, so the only way to have a safe anti-fascist counter-protest in this country is to bring your own security. That's why leftists here believe in an armed proletarian class. The liberals and the right wingers are the groups that want only "the right people" to have guns, and unfortunately, the way they've decided their "right people" isn't subject to things like rational discernment or even public review. Hidden in Plain Sight: Racism, White Supremacy, and Far-Right Militancy in Law Enforcement | Brennan Center for Justice[^] Law Enforcement and the Problem of White Supremacy | The New Yorker[^] Trust in Policing: The Role of White Supremacy[^] FBI Document Sheds Light on White Supremacist Infiltration of Police[^]
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Unless, you know, people wouldn't fight :doh: Our forefathers did a lot of fighting and as a result I never had to fight in my life. I was born into peace and still know it today, same for my parents. Their parents lived during WWII, but of the four, only one is still alive. So tell me, who are you fighting that you need all those guns?
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Our second amendment was written specifically to allow us to overthrow our government if needed. Our freedoms are laid out in our Declaration of Independence (yes, the forgotten document) where it spells out that a free people have the fundamental right to replace their government at any time they feel they're being trampled on by said government. The second amendment is there to enforce that right.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
they train, and provide security for events.
That's not even allowed over here. Only the government is allowed to handle guns, so army and police. Security is rarely armed over here. We do have shooting ranges, but I know very few people who've ever been there, one or two I think. I guess this is unimaginable to many Americans, but guns simply do not exist in daily life over here. I mean, of course they exist, but it's almost always illegal and criminal. In 2019, someone shot some people in a tram in Utrecht, near where I work. That's the closest I've ever been to guns. There was also a shooting at a mall about ten years ago, people still remember it, even if they've never been there. I think we've had one school shooting ever.
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#realJSOP wrote:
I'm not gonna criticize anyone else for doing that. It is, after all, theoretically a free country.
I thought the freedom includes the freedom to criticize. Or pointing out the bad taste of someone who makes Christmas cards with guns. You know, this was supposed to be celebrating the birthday of someone who had little to do with guns and violence.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
That's not even allowed over here.
Not allowed in the US either - unless the private security company is licensed and bonded. I get the feeling that "honey" is referring to something all together different.
People are allowed to organize militias in this country, fgs. At least in my state they are. Those militias can operate as an armed presence at part of an event where they are welcome. There is nothing illegal about that. Google orgs like Socialist Rifle Association and the John Brown Gun Club. We are talking about something different, clearly. Trouble is, I don't know what you're talking about.
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