I hate MS sometimes.
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You right ponders make sense at times. We left ponders tend to avoid that. :)
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
We right ponders had noticed that about some of you left ponders! :laugh: But then, we have our own set of nutjobs as well ... :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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We right ponders had noticed that about some of you left ponders! :laugh: But then, we have our own set of nutjobs as well ... :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I think your old pal Winnie, said something like "you can always depend on the USA to do the right thing. But only after they have tried everything else". Trying times. Alas, I remember a lot of it. All the WWII vets I knew are gone now. Met one at the VA, a couple of months ago, who is 103. I think he is still among us.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
> Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11 Honestly that was your first mistake. I'm a Linux guy. > I can't do a clean install So what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over? Install 10 and then upgrade to 11 again?
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I had similar problems. This PC, 1.5 years old, couldn't run Windows 11. Because of some pdm2 or something hardware security reason. Simply went into the BIOS and turned it on. And PC Check App told me I was ready to go, but Windows Update kept telling me I couldn't :omg: :wtf: :wtf: :sigh: However.. wait a few days, and then Windows Update finally realized that I could after all! :) And it finally came around December 20, I am on Windows 11 now! :) Initially I was a little upset with the round corners and the fact that my taskbar is locked at the bottom! But now I am used to it all, and already bored and waiting for Windows 12! :laugh: ;P
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> Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11 Honestly that was your first mistake. I'm a Linux guy. > I can't do a clean install So what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over? Install 10 and then upgrade to 11 again?
Memtha wrote:
I'm a Linux guy.
I'm sorry to hear that. Have you tried getting a cream from the doctor?
Memtha wrote:
what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over?
Restore from backup if it does - Win 10 has been running on this machine pre-upgrade for years and has never once "crapped out". If I recall correctly, it started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10, upgraded graphics card a couple of times, upgraded to SSD, upgraded the case and PSU, upgraded to a i5 motherboard, now upgraded to an i7 MB - and it still hasn't failed or BSODed once. That's why I wanted to clean install though - that's a heck of a lot of upgrades and they can leave a lot of mess around over the years.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I think your old pal Winnie, said something like "you can always depend on the USA to do the right thing. But only after they have tried everything else". Trying times. Alas, I remember a lot of it. All the WWII vets I knew are gone now. Met one at the VA, a couple of months ago, who is 103. I think he is still among us.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
Yesterday, the last living WWII veteran died at the age of 112. The World War II museum, in New Orleans, plans to put up a plaque to memorialize him. By all accounts, he was a genuinely nice person.
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I had similar problems. This PC, 1.5 years old, couldn't run Windows 11. Because of some pdm2 or something hardware security reason. Simply went into the BIOS and turned it on. And PC Check App told me I was ready to go, but Windows Update kept telling me I couldn't :omg: :wtf: :wtf: :sigh: However.. wait a few days, and then Windows Update finally realized that I could after all! :) And it finally came around December 20, I am on Windows 11 now! :) Initially I was a little upset with the round corners and the fact that my taskbar is locked at the bottom! But now I am used to it all, and already bored and waiting for Windows 12! :laugh: ;P
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I'll wAIT UNTIL 50,000 OR SO OF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN RUNNING IT A WHILE And SQUASHED MOST OF THE BUGS OUT. (not "yelling, just hit the caps lock by mistake). :-D :-D
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Memtha wrote:
I'm a Linux guy.
I'm sorry to hear that. Have you tried getting a cream from the doctor?
Memtha wrote:
what about when (not if) win 11 craps out and you have to start over?
Restore from backup if it does - Win 10 has been running on this machine pre-upgrade for years and has never once "crapped out". If I recall correctly, it started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10, upgraded graphics card a couple of times, upgraded to SSD, upgraded the case and PSU, upgraded to a i5 motherboard, now upgraded to an i7 MB - and it still hasn't failed or BSODed once. That's why I wanted to clean install though - that's a heck of a lot of upgrades and they can leave a lot of mess around over the years.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
> Restore from backup if it does Yes, assuming that either recovery manager works correctly or windows-controlled bios lets you boot from a foreign installation media. > started as Win XP, upgraded to retail Win 7, upgraded to Win 10 Sounds like you've been lucky. Don't get me wrong, windows can be made to work with some effort, I still have a win 7 dualboot (modified to boot from nvme) for those two applications that don't work correctly in wine or vms. Still, all 5 of the win 10 boxes I have the misfortune of managing for work and family have been afflicted by routine crashes, usually within one week of the initial install. I won't bore you with details. Still, all the windows versions you mentioned are the "good ones"; every other version is stable. No 2k, vista or 8. 11 is the next unstable, especially this early in its lifecycle. I'm calling it right now; your issues are just beginning. Your own experience with an unusable installer should really be a red flag that you should wait at least a few months if not for windows 12 (or w/e they name the next one).
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Windows 3, 3.1, 3.11 BSODs reined supreme Windows 95 An improvement Windows 98 & 98SE Pretty decent Windows ME Sucked Windows XP Really Good Windows Vista Totally sucked Windows 7 The crowed went wild. Windows 8 & 8.1 Blurk Windows 10 Had extremely minimal issues with it. Windows 11 Dunno yet.
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Just Sometimes?:confused::confused:
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I had to work with Microsoft products for decades, and I can tell you they often have issues so big that they know of for years and don't fix you won't believe. It's like your car vendor will give your car with 3 wheels instead of 4 and kind-of get away with it. For instance Outlook mobile does not sync folders except for inbox and you miss emails unless you manually sync those folders yourself every 5 minutes MS Teams for instance will generate notifications for all your messages on all your devices, regardless you read them on your PC, also if you did not open teams on your phone for 1 week, you will get all notifications for every one of hundreds of messages you chat on your PC. How obvious it is it shouldn't be like that, did they never used whatsapp? And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity. ...well I guess nobody is perfect, maybe not even close to perfect, regardless how big they are...
Alex C. D.
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Yesterday, the last living WWII veteran died at the age of 112. The World War II museum, in New Orleans, plans to put up a plaque to memorialize him. By all accounts, he was a genuinely nice person.
ed
How do you classify a WWII veteran? I know someone who is a mere 102 who served in the British Navy in WWII.
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11? You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.
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Check secure boot in BIOS. DIY machine? Install the default keys in BIOS. Maybe CPU TPM is preferred by W11? You will not loose anything without W11. It is yet another round of 90+% MS thinks there is something they have to learn from 10-% Apple. Especially on the productivity front. W11 is aesthetic uselessness like OSX is.
Peter Adam wrote:
You will not loose anything without W11
I know. But ... my Surface auto updated, and since support for Win10 will end in 2025 and I'll have to update before then, this seemed like the perfect time to bit the bullet - a clean install on new hardware! If I don't do that, then I'll get a Win 10 upgraded to Win11 and I'm trying to avoid that.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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WHY SOMETIMES?
Please don't SHOUT. Because they also produce some of the best software in it's class: Visual Studio and Excel for example are the best IDE and spreadsheet in the world.
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Upgrade PC so I can install Win 11: 8 cores, compatible i7 processor, TMP2 module (just in case), new SSD to stick it on, Directx12 video card, eveything it should need. Make a media creation USB on WIn 11 Surface Go. Make sure I know what software to install, and licence key numbers. Boot from USB. "This PC can't run Windows 11". Check the boot settings: TPM2.0 enabled, UEFI, Secure Boot. All enabled and functioning. No dice. Repeat. Get frustrated. Boot from previous HDD Win 10: run PC Health Check App. "Great news! This PC can run Win 11!" MAKE UP YOUR SODDING MIND! Looks like I'm not on the upgrade schedule, so I can't do a clean install ... so why not tell me that?
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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We should all go back to Windows 8.1...
Burn the heathen! :laugh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I had to work with Microsoft products for decades, and I can tell you they often have issues so big that they know of for years and don't fix you won't believe. It's like your car vendor will give your car with 3 wheels instead of 4 and kind-of get away with it. For instance Outlook mobile does not sync folders except for inbox and you miss emails unless you manually sync those folders yourself every 5 minutes MS Teams for instance will generate notifications for all your messages on all your devices, regardless you read them on your PC, also if you did not open teams on your phone for 1 week, you will get all notifications for every one of hundreds of messages you chat on your PC. How obvious it is it shouldn't be like that, did they never used whatsapp? And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity. ...well I guess nobody is perfect, maybe not even close to perfect, regardless how big they are...
Alex C. D.
Alex C. Duma wrote:
And now with Windows 11, take taskbar missing drag and drop feature, which will take them 1 year to fix. Wasn't it obvious from the start it was hugely important for productivity.
Not to whatever "The only apps I use are Edge and Outlook" PM who rammed the change down everyone else's throat.
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