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    Matt McGuire
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    I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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      I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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      Marc Clifton
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      If Scotty had had this, he wouldn't have needed to put the transporter buffer into a continuous diagnostic loop. ;) STNG "Relics" episode[^]

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        If Scotty had had this, he wouldn't have needed to put the transporter buffer into a continuous diagnostic loop. ;) STNG "Relics" episode[^]

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        Matt McGuire
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        the Dyson Sphere episode, that was one of my favs

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          I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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          Well, Just ignore the journalism, there is nothing to be excited about. The paper is theoretical and not a single piece of UltraRAM exists. Looks complicated to manufacture to me. Keep in mind that FeRAM[^], MRAM[^] and ReRAM[^] were all supposedly going to be used for storage and replace RAM. Never happened. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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            I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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            Rule 34.

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            • M Matt McGuire

              I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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              I need to read more about this as it sounds almost like existing Pseudo-Static RAM (PSRAM) or maybe SRAM too? (I can't remember) technology that's been around for awhile the way you describe it. EDIT: Now that I've read it, it works differently than PSRAM, and PSRAM despite being non-volatile in a sense, isn't usually set up to remember on powerdown. The non-volatility is more for avoiding needing complicated refresh circuitry in a memory controller. However, unless I miss my guess, it *could* be non-volatile on powerdown, it's just not used that way typically. I might be wrong there. It's an educated guess. The upshot seems to be PSRAM style simplicity with DRAM style access speeds. Price is an issue according to the article. I wonder about that, since the whole point of using this stuff vs. traditional RAM is ultimately to cut down on cost (and perhaps power consumption) This is all just initial thoughts and I'm fuzzy on some of the details of SRAM and PSRAM, since I've never needed to know them. So take all of this with a whole lot of salt. In fact, check with your doctor about your sodium intake before consuming this post.

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                the Dyson Sphere episode, that was one of my favs

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                I loved that episode. I loved when Scotty gave LaForge some good advice.

                SCOTT: Do you mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way, but the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want.
                LAFORGE: Yeah, well I told the Captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour.
                SCOTT: How long will it really take?
                LAFORGE: An hour.
                SCOTT: You didn't tell him how long it would really take, did you?
                LAFORGE: Of course I did.
                SCOTT: Oh, laddie, you've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker.

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                  the Dyson Sphere episode, that was one of my favs

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                  Oh Dyson Spheres... That just brings me back to the first Xbox game I ever owned, *Halo 4*, traversing through the Dyson sphere Requiem

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                    the Dyson Sphere episode, that was one of my favs

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                    I just re-watched ST:NG (all 7 seasons) last fall. I liked that episode, but one thing caught my eye. If you were orbiting a Dyson sphere at anything less than a distance of several million miles, it would look like a flat surface. You couldn't see curvature. Pedantic and fatuous, I know :rolleyes: :-O .

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                      I loved that episode. I loved when Scotty gave LaForge some good advice.

                      SCOTT: Do you mind a little advice? Starfleet captains are like children. They want everything right now and they want it their way, but the secret is to give them only what they need, not what they want.
                      LAFORGE: Yeah, well I told the Captain I'd have this analysis done in an hour.
                      SCOTT: How long will it really take?
                      LAFORGE: An hour.
                      SCOTT: You didn't tell him how long it would really take, did you?
                      LAFORGE: Of course I did.
                      SCOTT: Oh, laddie, you've got a lot to learn if you want people to think of you as a miracle worker.

                      Kelly Herald Software Developer

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                      Andreas Mertens
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                      Doesn't that also apply to us developers and the stakeholders?

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                      • M Matt McGuire

                        I was just reading up on the UltraRam from yesterdays news letter UltraRAM Breakthrough Brings New Memory and Storage Tech to Silicon | Tom's Hardware[^] It sounds awesome for computers in general, but it would have a huge impact on embedded applications. feel free to chime in honey the codewitch. to have a small embedded device that does not have to maintain power to RAM while waiting for a trigger would be a huge power savings for the embedded CPU. and if the device looses power all together, you wouldn't have to worry about writing data to flash or EEPROM, before loss. even to just have a 128K of it on an embedded CPU would be a huge step forward. imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

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                        Matt McGuire wrote:

                        imagine having a device that someone powers up in 999 years after being dug up from some old found landfill and having it start working, is the stuff of sci-fi books. (I would say boot up, but if everything is still in memory, not much booting needs to happen)

                        [City Of Ember](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City\_of\_Ember) does this with a 200 year window. Fun concept. (Movie grossed about 1/3 of the cost of production)

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                          I just re-watched ST:NG (all 7 seasons) last fall. I liked that episode, but one thing caught my eye. If you were orbiting a Dyson sphere at anything less than a distance of several million miles, it would look like a flat surface. You couldn't see curvature. Pedantic and fatuous, I know :rolleyes: :-O .

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                          This made me think, what would a Dyson sphere look like in the flat earth model, then I remembered they don't have one...

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