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    honey the codewitch
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    A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      den2k88
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      Honestly? After 50 years of Eurocommies pissing on the USA and their interventionist policies, I'd hope the US will stay on their own and not give a flying duck. Everybody antiamerican until they need someone to get their chestnuts out of the fire.

      GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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        Honestly? After 50 years of Eurocommies pissing on the USA and their interventionist policies, I'd hope the US will stay on their own and not give a flying duck. Everybody antiamerican until they need someone to get their chestnuts out of the fire.

        GCS d--(d-) s-/++ a C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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        honey the codewitch
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        We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours. That's all I'm going to say about this.

        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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        • H honey the codewitch

          A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          Kaladin
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          In many ways, it's kind of remarkable that it's been so peaceful. The history of the humanity is full of war more often than not. Or maybe it'd be more accurate to say that the violence is safely confined to Iraq and Afghanistan and other countries that don't matter as much to the Western narrative

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          • H honey the codewitch

            A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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            Maximilien
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            Quote:

            War. War never changes.

            :((

            CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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            • H honey the codewitch

              A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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              obermd
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              Given that Russia is now bombing Kyiv, I fully understand the concern. As for how it came to this, Putin stated a couple of decades ago that the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union was the worst geopolitical disaster to occur in the 20th century.

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              • H honey the codewitch

                A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                Dan Neely
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                honey the codewitch wrote:

                There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore.

                I'm not defending what's happened, and probably as pissed as you are; but we had as much ability to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now as we did to stop Brezhnev from invading Afghanistan in 1979: None. Nuclear armed states can do WT:elephant: they want because the risk of direct military confrontation is so high. We can hurt Russia back with sanctions; but the odds of those convincing Putin to stop or him being deposed are negligible.

                Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius

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                • H honey the codewitch

                  A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                  To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                  Les mt
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                  Even more chilling... Russia: tanks: 12,420; armoured vehicles: 30,122; self-propelled artillery: 6,574; towed artillery: 7,571; rocket projectors: 3,391 Britain: tanks: 227; AFVs or armoured vehicles: 5,015; self-propelled guns: 89; towed artillery: 126; rocket projectors: 44. (Don't spread rumours always quote your sources Russia vs Britain: how do the militaries stack up?[^] European Countries have similar number to GB. Why would anyone need that amount of artillery unless the intention is to invade all his neighbours and rebuild the old Iron Curtain? This has been years in the planning and building, lets hope he does start on Poland and the Baltic states or we are all in it like it or not :( Even worse Putin already has its troops in Belarus and Moldovia so there is no need to invade those countries.

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                    honey the codewitch wrote:

                    There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore.

                    I'm not defending what's happened, and probably as pissed as you are; but we had as much ability to stop Putin from invading Ukraine now as we did to stop Brezhnev from invading Afghanistan in 1979: None. Nuclear armed states can do WT:elephant: they want because the risk of direct military confrontation is so high. We can hurt Russia back with sanctions; but the odds of those convincing Putin to stop or him being deposed are negligible.

                    Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius

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                    honey the codewitch
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                    I disagree with that. He didn't just one day decide to invade. Putin invaded because of what transpired in the US and the west more largely over the past several years. He was feeling his oats.

                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      Given that Russia is now bombing Kyiv, I fully understand the concern. As for how it came to this, Putin stated a couple of decades ago that the fall and breakup of the Soviet Union was the worst geopolitical disaster to occur in the 20th century.

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                      honey the codewitch
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                      I don't mean Putin's motivations. He's something of a known quantity. But he didn't just decide to invade one day. This didn't happen in a vacuum. In my opinion, the US particularly - though not alone - dropped the ball, and Putin saw weakness, and an opportunity.

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                        I disagree with that. He didn't just one day decide to invade. Putin invaded because of what transpired in the US and the west more largely over the past several years. He was feeling his oats.

                        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                        Ravi Bhavnani
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                        honey the codewitch wrote:

                        He didn't just one day decide to invade.

                        Of course not.  It's been brewing for several years.  See: Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia[^] /ravi

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                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                          He didn't just one day decide to invade.

                          Of course not.  It's been brewing for several years.  See: Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia[^] /ravi

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                          honey the codewitch
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                          Yeah, and he saw his opportunity, and he took it.

                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                            We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours. That's all I'm going to say about this.

                            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                            Memtha
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                            [Ukraine also agreed to allow the Eastern provinces to succeed and hold independent elections, causing riots at the time.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49903996) If that were allowed to happen, the new nation formed thereby would probably accept the Russian troop movements, they are historically very pro-Russian. But no, Kiev wants the US to be their mercenaries to hold these provinces by force. They are leveraging the US's promise so they don't have to keep their own. There's a reason Ukraine hasn't been allowed to join NATO yet.

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                              A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                              It's embarrassing: The only thing the rest of Europe is bothering about is that the russian gas delivery is not interrupted... shame on us!

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                                A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                                To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                Chris Maunder
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                                We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

                                cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Slacker007
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                                  I have a developer on my team who she and her husband are from Ukraine. They have family and friends there. Not entirely sure how she is able to work right now, under so much stress. I told her to take some time off (she has the days) but she does not want to. Interesting times for sure.

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                                    We have a team in Ukraine and we've not heard from them at all. I'm sure they're fine, and extremely distracted right now. At least we hope. This whole thing, from start to finish, on all sides, is just so deeply sad.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    honey the codewitch
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                                    Oh man, I hope they are okay. :(

                                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                    • H honey the codewitch

                                      We convinced Ukraine to give up their nukes in exchange for protection. Ukraine has acted in good faith toward the west, being democratic, following the rules for joining NATO, and honoring their agreements. We're morally obligated to honor ours. That's all I'm going to say about this.

                                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                      DrWalter PE
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                                      I agree 100%

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                                      • H honey the codewitch

                                        A few hours ago, someone posted on the fallout 4 subreddit. he was posting from Kyiv. This wasn't a post about the game, to be clear. He was talking about jumping when snow fell from his neighbor's window. He's talking about stockpiling potable water, which can also be used to shelter from gunfire. This brought the war home for me in a way that reading about it elsewhere hasn't. I can't even wrap my head around it. There was a time when my country wouldn't have let something like this happen, but apparently we aren't at that place anymore. How in the hell did it come to this? (rhetorical, i don't want to engage in petty politics on this)

                                        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                        DrWalter PE
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                                        Not politics, but it seemsto me that there is a general apathy about the plight of other countries and an attitude that 'it doesn't affect us, since it's so far away. Thhe same thing happened at the start of World War 2, but we collectively seem to have chosen to forget. I'm also worried about my friends in Kiev (or Kyiv). Greetings, Walt

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