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Microsoft really like "searching"

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  • S Super Lloyd

    Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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    lmoelleb
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    And a lot of users do not realize simply hitting the windows key and start typing is enough to find programs. I have seen even system administrators clicking those buttons. But to be fair, it is still a new feature - introduced with Vista 14 years ago, so give it another decade or two.

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    • S Super Lloyd

      Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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      den2k88
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      Super Lloyd wrote:

      So much search... but still not finding myself!

      Try with your good eye closed :D

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      • S Super Lloyd

        Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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        Peter_in_2780
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        ... because nothing is in the obvious location any more?

        Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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        • L lmoelleb

          And a lot of users do not realize simply hitting the windows key and start typing is enough to find programs. I have seen even system administrators clicking those buttons. But to be fair, it is still a new feature - introduced with Vista 14 years ago, so give it another decade or two.

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          englebart
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          Yes… when they destroyed the “navigate to find features/applications” philosophy. Now you have to know what you want and type it in to find it. If you do not know a feature exists, you will never stumble across it! Bring back Program Manager!!

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          • S Super Lloyd

            Listen to the voices! They show the way! ;P

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            Richard Andrew x64
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            You're just jealous cause the voices don't want to talk to you.

            The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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            • S Super Lloyd

              Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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              Gary R Wheeler
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              Obligatory theme song for this thread[^]

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              • S Super Lloyd

                Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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                jmaida
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                Remember Desktop Google? It was great to have local files or local area network files searched the way google does the internet. It's history. Is there something equivalent? Windows search engine does not measure up.

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                • S Super Lloyd

                  Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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                  Martijn Smitshoek
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                  To search a lot, in my mind, is indicative of having trouble to find something. When it comes to the Windows search function, despite adamant claims to the contrary, it is and has been severely broken from the user's perspective for a long time. One has to go back in time to Windows 2000 to find a search box that actually does something useful and predictable.

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                    Yes… when they destroyed the “navigate to find features/applications” philosophy. Now you have to know what you want and type it in to find it. If you do not know a feature exists, you will never stumble across it! Bring back Program Manager!!

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                    Paul Sanders the other one
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                    Yes, that was a fantastic piece of software (!)

                    Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk

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                    • S Super Lloyd

                      Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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                      Tiger12506
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                      I have been saying since Windows 8 that if your users have to search for something, your UI design skills are sh*t. Further up in the comments someone mentioned that you can't search for something if you don't know it exists! Amen! Bringing everything to a consistent UI design in Win10 basically just means that you can't find anything. But it's ok, because your users are literally children and they won't need to use a computer for anything more than accessing the internet.

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                      • S Super Lloyd

                        Just realised that.. in Windows 11 task bar.. - the widget menu button has a top text box for searching - the start button has a top text box for searching - the hourglass button has a top text box for searching - edge also use its op text box for searching So much search... but still not finding myself! :O

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                        willichan
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                        Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you. That is, unless you are using Microsoft products. Then you will be eternally "Searching . . ." ---------- Money makes the world go round ... but documentation moves the money.

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                        • L lmoelleb

                          And a lot of users do not realize simply hitting the windows key and start typing is enough to find programs. I have seen even system administrators clicking those buttons. But to be fair, it is still a new feature - introduced with Vista 14 years ago, so give it another decade or two.

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                          hpcoder2
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                          And to be fair, relying on a key with an unpronouncable icon on it (I did not know it was called a "Windows key" until you mentioned it and I had to Google what that was), is not used on any other operating system, and is not even on all keyboards (one of my keyboards dates from 2001, and doesn't even have that key on it (it came from an SGI workstation), is not exactly going to be discoverable. Thank god they've given up on the notion of hitting that key to bring up the start menu (Windows 8 fiasco, remember that?).

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                            And to be fair, relying on a key with an unpronouncable icon on it (I did not know it was called a "Windows key" until you mentioned it and I had to Google what that was), is not used on any other operating system, and is not even on all keyboards (one of my keyboards dates from 2001, and doesn't even have that key on it (it came from an SGI workstation), is not exactly going to be discoverable. Thank god they've given up on the notion of hitting that key to bring up the start menu (Windows 8 fiasco, remember that?).

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                            lmoelleb
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                            Mac have a similar key. Linux support it as well but it is (of course) configurable what it does. It is OK for me they do not optimize the user interface for 20+ year old keyboards. And yes, it could be a tad more discoverable - for example show the search box already having the blinking carrot showing it is ready to accept input. Maybe they had that in Vista where it was introduced, I do not remember anymore. On Vista it was "oh how to I find anything in this crappy start menu" for a while until I realized how efficient it was just to type. Sure once or twice a year I am slowed down because I can't remember what to search for, but that is so infrequent it's fine with me. Windows 8 to 11 has not changed anything here except visuals, so I do not notice any fiasco. Sure heard about it but never was affected by it.

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