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It's a lot today: File Explorer rant

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  • R raddevus

    From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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    I never noticed this before, but they also disappear on my machine (Windows 11). Stupid indeed.

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      I don't have disappearing greater than signs - mine are fully visible. Win 11 21H2, 22000.556 The Win 10 Windows Explorer was better though ...

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      raddevus
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      OriginalGriff wrote:

      I don't have disappearing greater than signs - mine are fully visible. Win 11 21H2, 22000.556

      That's really interesting. thanks for posting that. Some of these _features_ are crazy because a thing is a certain way and then suddenly it is different (continuous updates) and you don't even know when it changed. It's basically like always having the rug pulled out from underneath you.

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        I never noticed this before, but they also disappear on my machine (Windows 11). Stupid indeed.

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        Thank you for sharing that you hadn't noticed that before either. This continuous update thing is just absolutely mind-boggling at times. If normal physics worked like Windows updates, farm animals would regularly appear on your desk & disappear, I guess. :rolleyes:

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        • R raddevus

          From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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          Mike Hankey
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          Yeah that's me today also. Spent most of the day trying to get binding to work in an WPF UserControl because the ignorant ComboBox won't revert to the original value when bound to a DataView and RejectChanges issued. Argggggggggg

          The less you need, the more you have. Even a blind squirrel gets a nut...occasionally. JaxCoder.com

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          • R raddevus

            From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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            Matthew Dennis
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            I'm running Windows 10. The '>'s are visible if your cursor is over the pane containing the directory tree, fading out when you move off. Basically a case of "Pick a number between 1 and 10" "7" "Wrong, the answer is 'B'"

            "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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              I'm running Windows 10. The '>'s are visible if your cursor is over the pane containing the directory tree, fading out when you move off. Basically a case of "Pick a number between 1 and 10" "7" "Wrong, the answer is 'B'"

              "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

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              raddevus
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              Matthew Dennis wrote:

              I'm running Windows 10. The '>'s are visible if your cursor is over the pane containing the directory tree, fading out when you move off.

              Yes, and it is terrible! I'm not sure what they gain by making them disappear?? :confused:

              Matthew Dennis wrote:

              Basically a case of "Pick a number between 1 and 10" "7" "Wrong, the answer is 'B'"

              :thumbsup:

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              • R raddevus

                From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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                Rage
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                Who uses file explorer ??

                Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                • R raddevus

                  From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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                  RobertSF
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                  raddevus wrote:

                  UI elements that disappear are so stupid.

                  Agreed 100%. I still can't get used to the stupid Office "ribbon," which varies according to the size of the window and what function you've activated.

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                    Matthew Dennis wrote:

                    I'm running Windows 10. The '>'s are visible if your cursor is over the pane containing the directory tree, fading out when you move off.

                    Yes, and it is terrible! I'm not sure what they gain by making them disappear?? :confused:

                    Matthew Dennis wrote:

                    Basically a case of "Pick a number between 1 and 10" "7" "Wrong, the answer is 'B'"

                    :thumbsup:

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                    raddevus wrote:

                    Yes, and it is terrible! I'm not sure what they gain by making them disappear?? :confused:

                    The same thing that led Microsoft to invent Bob and Clippy. Computers are hard, so to turn them into universal consumer products, they must be simultaneously dumbed down and made to anticipate the needs and desires of the least-skilled users. Showing the contents of the computer as a hierarchical set of folders and files would just confuse the noobs, so they hide them. In fact, here's an article about exactly that. Students don't know what files and folders are, professors say | PC Gamer[^]

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                    • R Rage

                      Who uses file explorer ??

                      Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                      What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

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                        What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                        While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

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                          While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                          Rage wrote:

                          As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander

                          HAHAHA :D

                          Rage wrote:

                          no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly

                          It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me. No, I don't share, write your own.

                          Rage wrote:

                          The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

                          Ignoring rightlick and all extentions. I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

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                            Rage wrote:

                            As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander

                            HAHAHA :D

                            Rage wrote:

                            no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly

                            It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me. No, I don't share, write your own.

                            Rage wrote:

                            The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

                            Ignoring rightlick and all extentions. I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                            It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me.

                            :laugh: Okay, if customizing kicks in, then I am with you, File Explorer can do anything :-D

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                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me.

                              :laugh: Okay, if customizing kicks in, then I am with you, File Explorer can do anything :-D

                              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                              Just running batch files as if they a command. Cheap, easy, effective. And better yet, I can trust what I write. I dislike the new menu's, but that's it. Never understood why people need two directory lists in a single window. Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

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                                Just running batch files as if they a command. Cheap, easy, effective. And better yet, I can trust what I write. I dislike the new menu's, but that's it. Never understood why people need two directory lists in a single window. Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                                To me, it is far more easier to use F5 or F6 to copy or move, plus you have tabs that you can switch to in the two panes, etc... In fact, once you are used to the key combinations, it is really efficient, and it makes a better use of screen space - though less important now that everybody uses at least 2 monitors. But then, tooling is a subjective matter - Alt-tabing is perfectly good as well if it fits you :-) I still use easy features from the command line - Today, when you need to send a list of files in a directory, everybody attaches a screenshot. I still do a Dir > Filelist.txt :)

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                                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                  Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                                  To me, it is far more easier to use F5 or F6 to copy or move, plus you have tabs that you can switch to in the two panes, etc... In fact, once you are used to the key combinations, it is really efficient, and it makes a better use of screen space - though less important now that everybody uses at least 2 monitors. But then, tooling is a subjective matter - Alt-tabing is perfectly good as well if it fits you :-) I still use easy features from the command line - Today, when you need to send a list of files in a directory, everybody attaches a screenshot. I still do a Dir > Filelist.txt :)

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                                  I do that too. Using File Explorer. Why pay for something inferior?

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                                    What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

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                                    On the lighter side, I have used midnight commander via WSL. ;)

                                    >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                                      On the lighter side, I have used midnight commander via WSL. ;)

                                      >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                                      This smells like Linux, doesn't it ?

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                                        This smells like Linux, doesn't it ?

                                        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                        theoldfool
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                                        sniff, sniff. Yup, guilty as charged. But it is running on Winders and accessing my C and E drives. WSL/Ubuntu/mc (I didn't say it was smart) :)

                                        >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                                          While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

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                                          Rage wrote:

                                          I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only

                                          Apparently, a tabbed view is in preview for W11. Whether it will make the light of day remains to be seen.

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