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It's a lot today: File Explorer rant

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  • R raddevus

    From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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    RobertSF
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    raddevus wrote:

    UI elements that disappear are so stupid.

    Agreed 100%. I still can't get used to the stupid Office "ribbon," which varies according to the size of the window and what function you've activated.

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      Matthew Dennis wrote:

      I'm running Windows 10. The '>'s are visible if your cursor is over the pane containing the directory tree, fading out when you move off.

      Yes, and it is terrible! I'm not sure what they gain by making them disappear?? :confused:

      Matthew Dennis wrote:

      Basically a case of "Pick a number between 1 and 10" "7" "Wrong, the answer is 'B'"

      :thumbsup:

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      RobertSF
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      raddevus wrote:

      Yes, and it is terrible! I'm not sure what they gain by making them disappear?? :confused:

      The same thing that led Microsoft to invent Bob and Clippy. Computers are hard, so to turn them into universal consumer products, they must be simultaneously dumbed down and made to anticipate the needs and desires of the least-skilled users. Showing the contents of the computer as a hierarchical set of folders and files would just confuse the noobs, so they hide them. In fact, here's an article about exactly that. Students don't know what files and folders are, professors say | PC Gamer[^]

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      • R Rage

        Who uses file explorer ??

        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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        Lost User
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        What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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          What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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          Rage
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          While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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            While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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            Lost User
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            Rage wrote:

            As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander

            HAHAHA :D

            Rage wrote:

            no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly

            It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me. No, I don't share, write your own.

            Rage wrote:

            The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

            Ignoring rightlick and all extentions. I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              Rage wrote:

              As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander

              HAHAHA :D

              Rage wrote:

              no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly

              It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me. No, I don't share, write your own.

              Rage wrote:

              The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

              Ignoring rightlick and all extentions. I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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              Rage
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              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me.

              :laugh: Okay, if customizing kicks in, then I am with you, File Explorer can do anything :-D

              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me.

                :laugh: Okay, if customizing kicks in, then I am with you, File Explorer can do anything :-D

                Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                Lost User
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                Just running batch files as if they a command. Cheap, easy, effective. And better yet, I can trust what I write. I dislike the new menu's, but that's it. Never understood why people need two directory lists in a single window. Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                  Just running batch files as if they a command. Cheap, easy, effective. And better yet, I can trust what I write. I dislike the new menu's, but that's it. Never understood why people need two directory lists in a single window. Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                  Rage
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                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                  To me, it is far more easier to use F5 or F6 to copy or move, plus you have tabs that you can switch to in the two panes, etc... In fact, once you are used to the key combinations, it is really efficient, and it makes a better use of screen space - though less important now that everybody uses at least 2 monitors. But then, tooling is a subjective matter - Alt-tabing is perfectly good as well if it fits you :-) I still use easy features from the command line - Today, when you need to send a list of files in a directory, everybody attaches a screenshot. I still do a Dir > Filelist.txt :)

                  Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                    Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                    Never learned to ALT TAB or what?

                    To me, it is far more easier to use F5 or F6 to copy or move, plus you have tabs that you can switch to in the two panes, etc... In fact, once you are used to the key combinations, it is really efficient, and it makes a better use of screen space - though less important now that everybody uses at least 2 monitors. But then, tooling is a subjective matter - Alt-tabing is perfectly good as well if it fits you :-) I still use easy features from the command line - Today, when you need to send a list of files in a directory, everybody attaches a screenshot. I still do a Dir > Filelist.txt :)

                    Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                    Lost User
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                    I do that too. Using File Explorer. Why pay for something inferior?

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                    • L Lost User

                      What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                      On the lighter side, I have used midnight commander via WSL. ;)

                      >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                        On the lighter side, I have used midnight commander via WSL. ;)

                        >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                        Rage
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                        This smells like Linux, doesn't it ?

                        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                        • R Rage

                          This smells like Linux, doesn't it ?

                          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                          theoldfool
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                          sniff, sniff. Yup, guilty as charged. But it is running on Winders and accessing my C and E drives. WSL/Ubuntu/mc (I didn't say it was smart) :)

                          >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                            While maybe not the most handy, I could do with a DOS console. And batch files :-D . As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander as long as I can think about, but any clone of it would do - I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only, so clumsy a copy function that can still result in corrupting file (in 2022), no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly, etc... The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

                            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                            Rage wrote:

                            I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only

                            Apparently, a tabbed view is in preview for W11. Whether it will make the light of day remains to be seen.

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                              Rage wrote:

                              I still fail to see how a file explorer can have a one pane-view only

                              Apparently, a tabbed view is in preview for W11. Whether it will make the light of day remains to be seen.

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                              Rage
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                              They waited long enough for dual monitors to make it not interesting anymore, but nah...

                              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                                sniff, sniff. Yup, guilty as charged. But it is running on Winders and accessing my C and E drives. WSL/Ubuntu/mc (I didn't say it was smart) :)

                                >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                                Rage
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                                *ouch*

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                                  What would you suggest then? A DOS Console?

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                  BryanFazekas
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                                  Q-Dir History Q-Dir - The Quad Explorer for MS OS[^] I used PowerDesk for ~15 years, but the last owner (company was acquired 3 or 4 times, I lost count) stopped paying attention to it, so I hunted around. Q-Dir isn't perfect, but the developer (one-man shop, AFAIK) maintains it well, and produces dozens of other small applications.

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                                  • R raddevus

                                    From next room, herself asked, "Where's my mapped drive?" I asked, "are you in File Explorer?" "Yes" "Do you see _This PC_?...Do you see the little greater-than sign so you can click to expand the item?" "No. I don't see any greater-than signs..." I'm forced to get up. "Oh, for Fox sake! 🦊🦊 You have to float into that region now because they disappear!!" UI elements that disappear are so stupid. :mad::mad: Please change the world and make all the disappearing UI elements disappear permanently!! :mad: This is definitely me today[^].

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                                    Wilbur 2021
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                                    UX On phone making commenting difficult. Kudos to whom said "who uses File Explorer" and that "Files Preview" with tabs on is just too damn slow. Total Commander is the answer, worth it for over 10 years nag screen included.

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                                      Rage wrote:

                                      As for replacement, I have been a user of Total commander

                                      HAHAHA :D

                                      Rage wrote:

                                      no way to rename multiple file or file extensions properly

                                      It does; a quick extension in C# does that for me. No, I don't share, write your own.

                                      Rage wrote:

                                      The windows file explorer is apparently doing its job, but a close look make it easy to see that it lacks about everything, unless your typical use case is "navigate - click to open a file".

                                      Ignoring rightlick and all extentions. I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                                      Nelviticus
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                                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                      I used DOpus on the Amiga. Total Comander? No, I'd prefer DOS over it. Easier, more powerful, simply better.

                                      DOpus is available on Windows and it's awesome. Directory Opus[^]

                                      Regards Nelviticus

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                                        UX On phone making commenting difficult. Kudos to whom said "who uses File Explorer" and that "Files Preview" with tabs on is just too damn slow. Total Commander is the answer, worth it for over 10 years nag screen included.

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                                        darktrick544
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                                        Takes me back to Norton Commander, which my fingers knew at the cellular level

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                                        • R raddevus

                                          Thank you for sharing that you hadn't noticed that before either. This continuous update thing is just absolutely mind-boggling at times. If normal physics worked like Windows updates, farm animals would regularly appear on your desk & disappear, I guess. :rolleyes:

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                                          charlieg
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                                          that's funny! points to you sir!

                                          Charlie Gilley β€œThey who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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