And so it begins...
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Calgary never used salt to the extent you would be driving in (salty) slush like a lot of places. The body held up very well. The city is always waiting for the next "Chinook" before doing much about snow ... a west wind from the mountains that can drive temperatures up 20 degrees in a matter of hours and melt everything ... then later turn it into a skating rink.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
I have the dubious honor of living in the city that spends most on snow removal[^]. If something was not corroded during the winter, spring potholes would surely take care of it. After 10 years cars are kept together mostly by duct tape and prayers :laugh:
Mircea
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I would suggest you don't use Visual Studio on Mac, it's terrible. I use Rider from Jet brains instead
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I've tried using VS2022 on the mac and just switched to VSCode. I've not tried Rider but some on my team have. Have you compared it to VSCode on a mac?
cheers Chris Maunder
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Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I hope you don't expect all those thousand of little settings you've tweaked to VS so it's just right to follow you to 2022. It's like 2022 had never seen me before. Further, the settings sync doesn't. I'm running VS on 3 machines and still, after months, I'm still tweaking the settings so (a) it's like 2019, and (b) things are actually in sync.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I don't have a problem with Windows 10. I use it for work 8-10 hours a day, 5-6 days a week.
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Do you have any articles that say this?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I've tried using VS2022 on the mac and just switched to VSCode. I've not tried Rider but some on my team have. Have you compared it to VSCode on a mac?
cheers Chris Maunder
I do use VSCode for React / Gitops / Terraform but I will now have to look at creating a C# project out of curiosity
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
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Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Visual Studio 2022 is a 64bit application so won't work on 32bit Win 7.
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Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Oh man, you're so laaaaate to the party! ;P
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Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Yup, may very well be likely.
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Visual Studio 2022 is a 64bit application so won't work on 32bit Win 7.
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lmoelleb wrote:
Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
I've been running Linux with Win7 in a VM for the last six years. I'm perfectly aware of Win7's current status. I choose to do that because anything newer than Win7 sucks big hairy donkey balls. I was just lamenting the fact that my ability to use teh latest/greatest dev tools on my chosen Windows platform is reaching its inevitable end.
lmoelleb wrote:
Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you under the strange assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
Don't be so bloody patronising. If you choose to live in the past that's your business, but don't expect everyone else to.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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Win 7 was the peak of M$ achievement. It's all downhill from there. VS 2017 works quite well under Win 10 - we still use it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I have gone back to VS 2017 (from VS 2022) because bugs.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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Win 7 was the peak of M$ achievement. It's all downhill from there. VS 2017 works quite well under Win 10 - we still use it.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Sadly, I have had to go back to VS 2017 (from VS 2022) because bugs. But I have no desire to run [it on] Windows 7. I'm actually running Windows 11, which is OK, but Windows 10 was better because fewer bugs.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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It will probably work, except MS doesn't want to "support it"; supporting means security patches; which would include "compilers", etc.
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On average, Windows 7 machines have 0.16 malware files making it not as secure as Windows 10. For home users also Microsoft has officially ended support of Windows 7. Windows 10 is 2x secure as Windows 7. Having 0.07 malware compared to Windows 7. The rate of malware is very less making it more secure.
[9 Differences between Windows 7 and Windows 10](https://ecomputertips.com/differences-between-windows-7-and-windows-10/)
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
You can use Visual Studio 2022 only in a 64bit environment, better if you have to use dot net core 6.0. Have you tried VS2019 instead? It's faster than VS2017. So you can use VS2017 for every framework you choose. Good retirement, i wish you will not stop programming code, as your hobby.
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I understand why MS doesn't want to spend resources on testing VS2022 on an O/S that has reached its end of support. Realistically - why should a compiler + debugger not work on Windows 7? Is there any functionality in the IDE that requires APIs not present in Win7? Inquiring minds wish to know!
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The debugger alone can spin up and connect to Android emulators, iOS (I believe, never had to), native apps, UWP apps (probably including xbox, didn't try). It must rely on a number of components to do this. Making sure all of these components stick to Win32 calls as they where in Win7 is probably not realistic unless a lot of effort goes into it... and why would you make that effort when there are important things to improve.
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Man, you really, really need to retire. :suss:
Devastating. And accurate.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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Do you have any articles that say this?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Do you have any articles that say this?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I would suggest you don't use Visual Studio on Mac, it's terrible. I use Rider from Jet brains instead
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
Rider for me EVERYWHERE these days, along with the rest of the JB tools such as WebStorm, IntelliJ, DataGrip etc I got fed up with VS's shenanegins last year, I was loosing more time on client projects dealing with VS being stupid, than I was being productive, so I jumped ship. I've just renewed my first year licence this morning with a 20% discount for sticking with them. What really pleases me though is the license model is fair. If I cancel my subscription now, then for the next year I WILL continue to get updates, and as of April 13 2023, the version last released prior to that is mine to keep and use for ever. So basically, I pay my yearly subscription, continue getting the bleeding edge, once I choose not to renew, I still get to keep and use EVERYTHING I have paid for, I can get an offline/perpetual licence that allows me to download all my previous products and install them on all my machines without having to have the toolbox app installed and logged into my JB account. Next year if I continue, I get another 20% discount, then for each year after that it stays at that 40% discounted price. As for the tools I get access too, it's every IDE they do, and about 5 other things too. Oh and it runs EVERYWHERE... I have it on my windows machines, 7,8.1 and 10, I have it on Red-Hat & Debian based Linux deployments, I even have it running on an old Apple Mac laptop.
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The debugger alone can spin up and connect to Android emulators, iOS (I believe, never had to), native apps, UWP apps (probably including xbox, didn't try). It must rely on a number of components to do this. Making sure all of these components stick to Win32 calls as they where in Win7 is probably not realistic unless a lot of effort goes into it... and why would you make that effort when there are important things to improve.
Some of us don't do mobile apps or UWP, so those are pointless feature points. I've been installing 64-bit versions of windows since they were made available.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
