And so it begins...
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Oh man, you're so laaaaate to the party! ;P
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I'm not late to the party. I just have a wildly different set of friends.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
My Mustang is 12 years old, and the undercarriage looks new. That's the benefit of living in Texas.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013There are some benefits to living further north, such as fewer nasty bugs and critters -- but winter presents a tough environment for my cars. Last weekend I took the snow tires off my wife's 2003 Mazda6 and each time I jacked up a corner I created a small shower of rust particles :(
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Yep. I'm glad I'm near retirement, and next year, won't care what happens to/with Visual Studio. On the other hand, I'm a DoD contractor, and we only started using VS2017 last year, so I'm good, I think.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013#realJSOP wrote:
we only started using VS2017 last year
We were forced to upgrade one of our products from VS2008 to VS2019 last fall. We discovered that a third-party hardware support library we use needed VS2015 or better. The upgrade went surprisingly well. It only took two of us a week to deal with most of the new compiler diagnostics.
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lmoelleb wrote:
Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
I've been running Linux with Win7 in a VM for the last six years. I'm perfectly aware of Win7's current status. I choose to do that because anything newer than Win7 sucks big hairy donkey balls. I was just lamenting the fact that my ability to use teh latest/greatest dev tools on my chosen Windows platform is reaching its inevitable end.
lmoelleb wrote:
Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you under the strange assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS? I'm not being snarky, but lmoelleb has a point. Though it's been a while, I don't remember any specific impact Windows 10 (or even 11 on my laptop) had on my primary dev box. With the full VS IDE, God knows how many browser windows, often the full office set- minimally Outlook/Teams, pgAdmin, and a couple of large, compiled VS apps running, I'm not suffering a bit. Just curious what issues you see?
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Some of us don't do mobile apps or UWP, so those are pointless feature points. I've been installing 64-bit versions of windows since they were made available.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013And some of us don't do C++, so a pointless feature point. And some of us do not do C#, VB, ... so they are pointless as well. Once we remove all of these pointless features not used by everyone it turns out there is a perfectly working IDE you can run on all versions of Windows - it is even preinstalled. It is called Notepad.
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So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS? I'm not being snarky, but lmoelleb has a point. Though it's been a while, I don't remember any specific impact Windows 10 (or even 11 on my laptop) had on my primary dev box. With the full VS IDE, God knows how many browser windows, often the full office set- minimally Outlook/Teams, pgAdmin, and a couple of large, compiled VS apps running, I'm not suffering a bit. Just curious what issues you see?
MikeCO10 wrote:
So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS?
I'm using Ubuntu 18.3, but I'm not sure why that matters. There doesn't have to be an "impact" from using Win10 for me to not want to use it. I simply don't like its implementation (actually, as far back as Win8). Remember, I've never once said (or even implied) that I expect MS to support old versions of Windows forever. I was just recognizing that the process of removing the ability to install Vis Studio on Win7 has started, and everyone is acting like I'm being unrealistic about something. The ONLY reason I have a Windows VM is because I like to code as a hobby. I'm perfectly alright with eventually not being able to install the latest Vis Studio given that I'm going to retire next year. I wanted to try something that was only available with Net6, and I coudln't try it without installing VS2022 because you can't target .Net6 from VS2019. I honestly don't know why the f*ck everyone is arguing meaningless crap with me that is in no way applicable to my original observation.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
There are some benefits to living further north, such as fewer nasty bugs and critters -- but winter presents a tough environment for my cars. Last weekend I took the snow tires off my wife's 2003 Mazda6 and each time I jacked up a corner I created a small shower of rust particles :(
Craig Robbins wrote:
There are some benefits to living further north
If there any benefits I could identify, I'd certainly be living further north, but the only thing I can think of is that in the event of a zombie apocalypse, the zombies would freeze and not be able to move for several months out of the year.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Craig Robbins wrote:
There are some benefits to living further north
If there any benefits I could identify, I'd certainly be living further north, but the only thing I can think of is that in the event of a zombie apocalypse, the zombies would freeze and not be able to move for several months out of the year.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Lots of fresh water - sometimes in liquid form! And.... The Boundary Waters Canoe Area Wilderness, plus lefse, lutefisk, very few poisonous snakes, no killer bees (yet), mediocre professional sports teams, no javelinas, no scorpions, no tsunamis (ok, I'm really reaching on that one...) Best wishes!! - CR
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My Mustang is 12 years old, and the undercarriage looks new. That's the benefit of living in Texas.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Man, you really, really need to retire. :suss:
Devastating.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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lmoelleb wrote:
Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
I've been running Linux with Win7 in a VM for the last six years. I'm perfectly aware of Win7's current status. I choose to do that because anything newer than Win7 sucks big hairy donkey balls. I was just lamenting the fact that my ability to use teh latest/greatest dev tools on my chosen Windows platform is reaching its inevitable end.
lmoelleb wrote:
Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you under the strange assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013If you hate Windows 10 so much, you might like to know of a product called Start10 from an outfit called StarDock. It costs peanuts and replaces the disaster that is the Windows 10 Start Menu with one that looks exactly like Windows 7. This, for me, removed my objections to running Windows 10 and made me a happy bunny. Maybe it can do the same for you and you can join us here in 2022.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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lmoelleb wrote:
Windows 7 reached EOL more than 2 years ago.
I've been running Linux with Win7 in a VM for the last six years. I'm perfectly aware of Win7's current status. I choose to do that because anything newer than Win7 sucks big hairy donkey balls. I was just lamenting the fact that my ability to use teh latest/greatest dev tools on my chosen Windows platform is reaching its inevitable end.
lmoelleb wrote:
Microsoft have enough quality problems in VS as it is now, so adding obsolete operating systems to the test matrix does not sound like an great idea to me. Or are you under the strange assumption supporting old operating systems is free?
I'm been programming longer than you've been alive. I'm fully aware of Microsoft's inability to "do the right thing" since the early 80's.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013If you hate Windows 10 so much, you might like to know of a product called Start10 from an outfit called StarDock. It costs peanuts and replaces the disaster that is the Windows 10 Start Menu with one that looks exactly like Windows 7. This, for me, removed my objections to running Windows 10 and made me a happy bunny. Maybe it can do the same for you and you can join us here in 2022.
Paul Sanders http://www.alpinesoft.co.uk
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MikeCO10 wrote:
So, are you using Deb 6 or 7 as your OS?
I'm using Ubuntu 18.3, but I'm not sure why that matters. There doesn't have to be an "impact" from using Win10 for me to not want to use it. I simply don't like its implementation (actually, as far back as Win8). Remember, I've never once said (or even implied) that I expect MS to support old versions of Windows forever. I was just recognizing that the process of removing the ability to install Vis Studio on Win7 has started, and everyone is acting like I'm being unrealistic about something. The ONLY reason I have a Windows VM is because I like to code as a hobby. I'm perfectly alright with eventually not being able to install the latest Vis Studio given that I'm going to retire next year. I wanted to try something that was only available with Net6, and I coudln't try it without installing VS2022 because you can't target .Net6 from VS2019. I honestly don't know why the f*ck everyone is arguing meaningless crap with me that is in no way applicable to my original observation.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I was more wondering what the negative effects are of Windows 10 to you in this instance, since you were that critical of it. My *nix question was more to the point that we can all use outdated OSes, but there's no guarantee that you'll be able to do what you want. I have a friend who refuses to use an *nix OS that uses systemd. His logic really isn't bad, but he has to accept some of the limits too.
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Installed VS2022 on a Win7 VM, and was greeted by a dialog box that stated that I was installing VS2022 onto an unsupported OS. I suspect that VS2025 will not allow you to install onto Win7 at all. EDIT--------------------------------- ATTENTION!!! Read my post again. I am not saying MS has to maintain support for Win7 in Visual Studio. I was merely observing that "support" for installing VS on Win7 would eventually disappear, and that process has started with the warning dialog box that I encountered when installing 2022. Don't bother me with bullsh*t arguments regarding an expectation of MS maintain support for Win7, or that Win10+ "ain't that bad". That's not the point I was even remotely trying to make.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
I tried installing VS2022 on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC and it wouldn't let me, so it's not just you.
It let me install it, and it seems to run fine, but I got the warning dialog before it installed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
It let me install it, and it seems to run fine, but I got the warning dialog before it installed.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013